Monday, February 22, 2010

Haberdashery! Unedited Transcript

[13:59] Rhianon Jameson: That's one magic arm you have, Your Grace!
[14:00] Edward Pearse: Who put builds on 45 degree angles
[14:00] Serafina Puchkina: Mr. Holmes! Welcome!
[14:00] Edward Pearse: Really
[14:01] Bookworm Hienrichs gets a cam shot and goggles at how wide her skirts are.
[14:02] Jedburgh30 Dagger: (( it was the advance car with the flags that gave it away Book...))
[14:02] Ceejay Writer: 45 degree angle? I wish my cafe was THAT aligned.
[14:02] Jasper Kiergarten: greetings Tinus
[14:02] Serafina Puchkina: Welcome Mr. Koskinen!
[14:02] Elilka Sieyes: ((sporfle :D))
[14:02] Edward Pearse: Well you will burn things down
[14:02] Bookworm Hienrichs laughs.
[14:02] Tinus Koskinen: hello evering, hello Miss Sera.
[14:02] Jasper Kiergarten: if anyone wants a chair, please let me know
[14:02] Ceejay Writer: Tinus!
[14:02] Stargirl Macbain: Tinus!
[14:02] Bookworm Hienrichs: Hello, Mr. Koskinen.
[14:02] Jedburgh30 Dagger: TEENUSS!
[14:03] Tinus Koskinen: Hello again everyone sorry if I interrupted.
[14:03] Serafina Puchkina: Hello Miss Jaggernov!
[14:03] Elilka Sieyes: Good evening, Mister Koskinen :)
[14:03] Ceejay Writer: And PJ finally rezzes. Clothing THAT stunning takes its time!
[14:03] Jasper Kiergarten: no interuption sir
[14:03] Jasper Kiergarten: find a seat, we're about to start
[14:03] Scarlet Jaggernov: Good evening!!
[14:04] Serafina Puchkina: Food and drink back here by me. *reaches back to the table to grab another cookie*
[14:04] Viv Trafalgar: We'll begin in 1 minute
[14:04] Ceejay Writer: Mmmm BIG cookies.
[14:04] Serafina Puchkina: chocolate chip!
[14:04] Serafina Puchkina: chairs are free and you wear them
[14:05] Jasper Kiergarten: c'mon in folks
[14:05] Jasper Kiergarten: I have the chairs, if you require one
[14:05] Ceejay Writer: My chair was insisting on wearing *me*
[14:05] Jasper Kiergarten: :)
[14:06] Serafina Puchkina: Hello Mr Frakture
[14:06] Tinus Koskinen: wow, not sure what happened but I was launched into the air.
[14:06] Phineas Frakture: Miss Puchkina
[14:06] Jasper Kiergarten: that was impressive sir
[14:06] Ceejay Writer: Tinus... it's Babbage. Question not these things.
[14:06] Bookworm Hienrichs: Good day, Mr. Frakture.
[14:06] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Hello everyone! Ladies and Gentlemen, Viv, Serafina and I are pleased to welcome you to the February Aether Salon - Haberdashery! An exploration of Victorian men’s fashion and how the styles developed during the era. I would like to thank each and every one of you for joining us today
[14:06] Tinus Koskinen: Please Mr. Kiergarten, a chair before I fly off again.
[14:06] Edward Pearse: It's the special anti-heckling device that's been installed
[14:06] Phineas Frakture: Miss Hienrichs ;)
[14:06] Tinus Koskinen chuckles...must be it.
[14:06] Viv Trafalgar claps
[14:06] Bookworm Hienrichs applauds.
[14:07] Jedburgh30 Dagger: As many of you know, the Aether Salon meets to discuss steam and Victorian topics on the third Sunday of each month, in Palisades and Academy, New Babbage. This is our 15th salon and I hope you are all as excited about being here today as I am.
[14:07] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Just a few matters of housekeeping before we get started. If you are standing in the back, please move forward onto the maze so that you can be assured of hearing the speaker. Please hold your questions until the end, and as a courtesy to all, please turn off everything that feeds the lag: all HUDs, scripts, AOs and so on. Please no weapons, bombs, rogue scripts, or contagious bioweapons. Your cooperation is appreciated.
[14:07] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Edited and unedited transcripts will be posted this week on so you can revisit today’s merriment, read transcripts of past salons, and for a laugh, peruse “overheard at the salon.” Please join the Aether Salon group and receive notifications of future salon events, click the lower right hand corner of the large brown sign by the entrance. We sincerely appreciate the support we receive from everyone in the community and we humbly thank you all.
[14:08] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Many fine people have contributed to today’s salon: We are grateful to Canolli Capalini of Capalini Fine Furnishings for the wonderful salon chairs, our speaker Edward Pearse for our craft contribution, Miss Ceejay Writer, Mr. Rafael Fabre, Miss Redgirl Llewellen, Miss Breezy Carver, Miss Ahnyanka Delphin for the stage and the citizens of New Babbage who make this event possible.
[14:08] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Mark your calendars for next month’s salon, Music Boxes! with Canolli Capalini, or as Viv has said “MINEMINEMINE!!!”. Upcoming Salons will include Ironclads with Commodore Hotspur O'Toole, Photography with Mr PJ Trenton, and Airwaves with Miss Gabrielle Riel. As a reminder, all speakers' fund jar donations go directly to the speakers.
[14:08] Bookworm Hienrichs laughs.
[14:08] Ceejay Writer applauds those future salons!
[14:09] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Now I will turn the stage over to Miss Viv for the introduction of today’s speaker. Viv?
[14:09] Viv Trafalgar smiles
[14:09] Viv Trafalgar: Thank you Miss Jed - welcome everyone!
[14:09] Viv Trafalgar: We are so pleased to welcome Mr. Edward Pearse
[14:09] Edward Pearse waves
[14:09] Viv Trafalgar: He opened his first Menswear shop in Caledon Victoria City in December 2006 and one in New Babbage in January of 2007.
[14:09] Viv Trafalgar: Others in various Steamlands have followed.
[14:10] Viv Trafalgar: With his typist an accomplished amateur costumier, Edward was able to draw on personal research and his own wardrobe
[14:10] Viv Trafalgar: to find the references for making menswear in SL.
[14:10] Viv Trafalgar: When he started out there was a distinct lack of Victorian Menswear. Since the ladies had been well catered for he decided to focus exclusively on men's garments.
[14:10] Viv Trafalgar: Though pressure from female customers has lead to creations of ladies uniforms and the tartan skirts.
[14:10] Viv Trafalgar: In addition, we find him perfectly charming and very fun
[14:10] Edward Pearse grins
[14:11] Viv Trafalgar: please give your attention and appreciation to Mr. Edward Pearse
[14:11] Elilka Sieyes applauds warmly.
[14:11] Bookworm Hienrichs applauds.
[14:11] Rhianon Jameson applauds
[14:11] Serafina Puchkina applauds
[14:11] Rowan Derryth applauds
[14:11] Stargirl Macbain wolf whistles!
[14:11] Zachary Somerset applauds
[14:11] Jedburgh30 Dagger: applauds
[14:11] Edward Pearse: Good morning all
[14:11] Edward Pearse: Well it's morning here
[14:11] Tinus Koskinen APPLAUDS!!!
[14:12] Viv Trafalgar: thank you for coming in so early
[14:12] Edward Pearse: The Victorian Era lasted over 70 years and many of the influences of the latter part followed over into the 20th century up until the start of the Great War.
[14:13] Edward Pearse: In that time a great deal of society changed
[14:13] Bookworm Hienrichs whispers, "Hoy, Jimmy."
[14:13] Edward Pearse: but one of the benefits of this change is that a great deal was recorded about how things should be done
[14:13] Edward Pearse: and a great many traditions and practices were written down and their changes noted.
[14:14] Jimmy Branagh whispers back Hoy Miss Book!
[14:14] Edward Pearse: “Fashion” itself usually started in Paris and spread to the rest of the world.
[14:14] Edward Pearse: It is worth remembering that the way clothing was made underwent huge change during this time as well.
[14:14] Jimmy Branagh: Hoy Cyan!
[14:14] Edward Pearse: Typically clothing in the Regency Period or the Napoleonic Period (think Jane Austen or the Richard Sharpe telemovies) was all hand made from start to finish.
[14:15] Edward Pearse: Sewing machines had only started to be attempted in various forms.
[14:15] Viv Trafalgar smiles at the quieting urchins and nods at Edward - quite right! I hadn't thought of that
[14:15] Edward Pearse: Yet even towards the end of the 19th century “off the rack” clothes were still a rarity and most clothing was made to order and fit.
[14:16] Edward Pearse: Personally my typist has always favoured the later Victorian dress.
[14:16] Elilka Sieyes: :)
[14:16] Edward Pearse: Napoleonic fashions were not made for one whose build is decidedly not that of the svelt athlete.
[14:16] Edward Pearse: There are even stories of the French Imperial Guard using pigfat on their legs so as to squeeze into the ultra tight trousers of their uniforms.
[14:16] Ceejay Writer makes a face.
[14:16] Bookworm Hienrichs: Ewww.
[14:16] Jimmy Branagh whispers Eeeewwwww...
[14:16] Rhianon Jameson: Must have smelled good
[14:16] Edward Pearse: I'm not sure how they managed their reputation with the ladies
[14:16] Jedburgh30 Dagger: laughs
[14:16] Zachary Somerset chuckles
[14:17] Elina Koskinen thinks of men's corsets
[14:17] Viv Trafalgar: ((oh that's so very duran duran))
[14:17] Edward Pearse: Thankfully gentlemen’s clothing had eased somewhat towards the late 19th century.
[14:17] Edward Pearse: While considerably restrictive by modern standards the clothing was more tailored than tight fitting.
[14:17] Rowan Derryth: Lol Viv!
[14:18] Edward Pearse: By and large a man’s wardrobe consisted of trousers, shirt, waistcoat and topcoat.
[14:18] Edward Pearse: And next time you hear the ladies bemoaining their corsetted state
[14:18] Elina Koskinen: Ahh
[14:18] Edward Pearse: Corsets were not exclusively a female domain
[14:19] Jimmy Branagh: Oy ain't never wearin' one of those things
[14:19] Rhianon Jameson chuckles
[14:19] Viv Trafalgar: eyebrow
[14:19] Victor1st Mornington: O.O
[14:19] Sredni Eel: hello
[14:19] Tinus Koskinen: I am not wearing on of those.
[14:19] Edward Pearse: The colours for men's clothes by this stage were usually dark.
[14:20] Edward Pearse: Black was worn by businessmen and the upper classes and dark browns, greens or blues by the poorer people.
[14:20] Breezy Carver: smiles at Mr Yo YO always well dressed
[14:20] Gabriell Anatra: Oh, sorry.
[14:20] Edward Pearse: Black dye was notoriously difficult
[14:20] Edward Pearse: ((And I know this even with modern dies it's damned hard to get done right))
[14:21] Edward Pearse: While dark colours were not uncommon before the 1860s, bottle green, russet and plum were seen in gentlemen’s coats.
[14:21] Ceejay Writer: Pretty.
[14:21] Edward Pearse: With Queen Victoria’s move into full mourning dress after Prince Albert’s death, her court and then the Ministers of Parliament adopted more sombre colours.
[14:21] Edward Pearse: This had a trickledown effect to the rest of the country and even to the East Coast of the US.
[14:22] Edward Pearse: Colour still turned up in men’s jackets but was mostly left to the Music Hall, Vaudeville and travelling showmen.
[14:22] Edward Pearse: Gus mentioned recently on the Ning that the description of the clothes in “Puttin’ on the Ritz” hadn’t changed that much from what was worn in the 19th century.
[14:22] Edward Pearse: This is quite true.
[14:22] Edward Pearse: Menswear changes slowly but it does change.
[14:23] Edward Pearse: Usually a case of the formality moving up.
[14:23] Edward Pearse: In the late 19th century formal Courtwear would have been knee breeches and hose with coatee style jackets for men.
[14:23] Edward Pearse: The “second most” formal was white tie with tails.
[14:23] Edward Pearse: Then came the Lounge Suit (or the sack suit as it became called in the US).
[14:24] Edward Pearse: The tuxedo was a derivation of a lounge suit taken back to New York.
[14:24] Edward Pearse: But the shawl collar of the formal dinner jacket has given way to the peaked lapel of the modern suit.
[14:25] Edward Pearse: For a long time to 20th century men, the shawl collar was the difference between a tuxedo and a dinner jacket
[14:25] Edward Pearse: Proper dress was considered the mark of a gentleman.
[14:25] YoYo Underby nods
[14:26] Edward Pearse: He would not be seen in mixed company in only his shirt sleeves and waistcoat, but would always put on a jacket.
[14:26] Edward Pearse: It’s also worth noting that in H.G.Wells’ The Time Machine,
[14:26] Edward Pearse: when the time traveller returns from his harrowing ordeal in the future he does not slump into the dining room ragged and gasping as in the George Pal movie,
[14:26] Elilka Sieyes: (Hah :D)
[14:26] Victor1st Mornington coughs
[14:26] Edward Pearse: he changes for dinner first before coming downstairs to be with his guests.
[14:26] Rhianon Jameson: Indeed.
[14:26] Ceejay Writer: Oh, that's true!
[14:26] Zachary Somerset grins
[14:26] Tinus Koskinen smiles
[14:26] Ghilayne Andrew grins and nods
[14:27] Jedburgh30 Dagger: waistcoat only was like being seen in a plain white undershirt now
[14:27] Jimmy Branagh: Well, 'ee 'ad all th' toime in th' world.
[14:27] Ceejay Writer grins at Jimmy.
[14:27] Serafina Puchkina chuckles
[14:27] Jimmy Branagh grins
[14:28] Edward Pearse: This is the typical mail silhouette for morning dress
[14:28] Edward Pearse: Not to be confused with mourning dress
[14:28] Edward Pearse: *male
[14:28] Edward Pearse: Bah for typos
[14:28] Viv Trafalgar wonders if men wore crepe that fell apart for mourning dress as well
[14:28] Sredni Eel: I wore crepe, but it fell apart before I could eat it.
[14:29] Edward Pearse: The cutaway coat or swallow tail was a less formal dress than a frock coat
[14:29] Edward Pearse: And supposedly derives from the habit of gentlemen going for a morning horse ride in Hyde Park
[14:30] Breezy Carver nods .. with gloves Sir ?
[14:30] Edward Pearse: Yes. Note the hand with the cane
[14:30] Breezy Carver looks
[14:30] Edward Pearse waits a moment before changing slides
[14:30] Breezy Carver smiles and nods ..
[14:31] Edward Pearse: The sack suit, which I believe was a disparaging name originally
[14:31] Edward Pearse: Was less tailored and easier to make
[14:32] Sandi Levee: *thinks it looks comfy*
[14:32] Edward Pearse: Note that the top button is done up rather than the middle ones
[14:32] Sredni Eel: looks lived in
[14:32] Edward Pearse: This still allowed you to show off your waistcoat and chain
[14:32] Rowan Derryth ponders the multi-course Victorian meals
[14:32] Viv Trafalgar: aha!
[14:33] Edward Pearse: Shoes are something else worth noting too
[14:33] Edward Pearse: Most menswear were ankle high boots
[14:33] Edward Pearse: Oh, minor tangent
[14:34] Edward Pearse: Mr. Davi, hunt down a documentary called "Edwardian Supersize Me"
[14:34] Edward Pearse: The chap lives for just a week on an Edwardian diet
[14:35] Rowan Derryth: Yes, that is a wonderful documentary
[14:35] Ceejay Writer: Interesting. *notes title*
[14:35] Gabriell Anatra: It sounds interesting.
[14:35] Sandi Levee: *feels hungry*
[14:35] Elina Koskinen remembers a documentary where the whole family lived in an edwardian mansion, servants and all
[14:35] Sredni Eel: sounds like a diet worthy of Miss Julia Childs.
[14:35] Jedburgh30 Dagger: ((lived for a week on a Georgian diet once))
[14:35] KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Ritterin Ordinal!
[14:35] Rowan Derryth: 1900 House
[14:35] Edward Pearse: Because streets were in many cases unpaved, or those that were were covered in the exhaust fumes of horses
[14:36] Jimmy Branagh waves to Miss Ordinal
[14:36] Victor1st Mornington: exhaust fumes *chuckles*
[14:36] Annechen Lowey: Interesting turn of phrase.
[14:36] Elilka Sieyes: :)
[14:36] Zachary Somerset chuckles
[14:36] KlausWulfenbach Outlander smiles broadly
[14:36] Edward Pearse: Getting your boots dirty was a common problem
[14:36] Edward Pearse: "Spats" were an accessory to prevent mud spats from marring the finish of your boots
[14:37] Jimmy Branagh: Oy wondered wot they wos faw.
[14:37] Edward Pearse: And like all menswear were slow in disappearing after their use had been outlived
[14:37] Edward Pearse: Eventually boots with a suede upper were being made
[14:37] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Gaiters
[14:37] Edward Pearse: To give the appearance of spats without wearing them
[14:38] Edward Pearse: Gaiters in general came up to the knee
[14:38] Jedburgh30 Dagger: right, but the same concept as spatterdashes
[14:38] Edward Pearse: But it can often be like the difference between suspenders, garters and braces
[14:39] Edward Pearse: Or pants and trousers
[14:39] Annechen Lowey: Aha.
[14:39] Rhianon Jameson looks confused.
[14:39] Jedburgh30 Dagger: grins
[14:39] Edward Pearse grins
[14:39] KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Rather important, those differences, in polite company.
[14:39] Edward Pearse: braces and suspenders and cross Atlantic words for the same thing
[14:39] Rowan Derryth: Bit difference between pants and Trousers in Britain... learned that the hard way.
[14:40] Annechen Lowey: People separated by a common language, again.
[14:40] Beq Janus grins
[14:40] Edward Pearse: However suspenders and garters are cross Atlantic words for something different
[14:40] Sredni Eel: och, just go regimental and wear a kilt.
[14:40] Rowan Derryth: Aye
[14:40] Sredni Eel: no need for pants, trousers, troos, or anything
[14:40] Edward Pearse: Just a blue silk ribbon?
[14:40] Beq Janus: admittedly we are semantically wrong in the UK on this one
[14:40] Sredni Eel: absolutely
[14:40] Rowan Derryth: A white cockade
[14:41] Edward Pearse: One little thing I want to touch on is waistcoats
[14:41] Edward Pearse: Now admittedly this picture is from 1935
[14:41] Edward Pearse: But it shows my point
[14:42] Sandi Levee: day is dandies
[14:42] Edward Pearse points to the waistcoat
[14:42] Edward Pearse: Note there is no wide gap between the top of the trouser and the bottom of the waistcoat
[14:43] Viv Trafalgar: nods and looks
[14:43] Bluemills Bernandes: sorry.
[14:43] Elilka Sieyes: (the eternal curse of SL trousers)
[14:43] Edward Pearse: Trousers were higher waisted back then and the modern problem of old length waistcoats with modern "hipster" trousers has been imported into SL
[14:44] Edward Pearse: Also with the formal wear
[14:44] Edward Pearse: Note the waistcoat does not come below the edge of the jacket
[14:45] Edward Pearse: Another common problem of the modern age brought into historical settings
[14:45] Edward Pearse: Lastly
[14:45] Edward Pearse: Face fuzz
[14:46] Elilka Sieyes cheers ;)
[14:46] Edward Pearse: Or chin furniture
[14:46] Jimmy Branagh: Yay!
[14:46] Elina Koskinen strokes unexisting beard
[14:46] Ceejay Writer laughs
[14:46] Jimmy Branagh: Oy want a 'stache ...
[14:46] Edward Pearse: This gentleman for those who may not recognize him is WS Gilbert
[14:46] Elilka Sieyes: In time, Jimmy. :)
[14:46] Edward Pearse: Of Gilbert & Sullivan fame
[14:46] Jimmy Branagh: Awww, shucks ...
[14:47] Sredni Eel: that's quite a food strainer he's got there.
[14:47] Edward Pearse: Young men commonly went clean shaven
[14:48] Edward Pearse: And it really wasn't until WW1 that clean shaven became the norm
[14:48] Edward Pearse: And even then the officers still had a 'tache
[14:48] Rhianon Jameson laughs
[14:48] Edward Pearse: Also shaving with a cut throat razor while they're shelling is not fun
[14:49] Edward Pearse: This is Arthur Sullivan
[14:49] Gabriell Anatra: I recall reading about that. They needed to be sure the gas masks fit right.
[14:49] Edward Pearse: Also sporting an nice set of whiskers
[14:49] Sandi Levee: *shivers*
[14:49] Edward Pearse: Oh
[14:49] Edward Pearse: And as a note
[14:50] Edward Pearse: If any of you have seen pictures of soldiers in the 1860s and 1870s
[14:50] Edward Pearse: (which I should have prepared)
[14:50] Edward Pearse: The huge beard many of the sport became a fashion after the Crimean campaign in Russia
[14:51] Edward Pearse: Months of no access to razors gave rise to large beards
[14:51] Edward Pearse: It became something of a mark of distinction
[14:51] Annechen Lowey: The Beards Race must have been fierce.
[14:51] Sandi Levee: did they braid them?
[14:51] Sredni Eel: did they win by a hair?
[14:51] Rhianon Jameson: That's why, in the 20th century, it merely became an arms race.
[14:54] Bluemills Bernandes: They took mutton chops seriously back then.
[14:54] Edward Pearse: Most of men's fashion have slowly passed away
[14:54] Edward Pearse: But things like sleeve buttons on jackets
[14:55] Edward Pearse: Or buttonholes on lapels
[14:55] Annechen Lowey: Vetigal fashion marks.
[15:00] PJ Trenton: And I thought Haberdashery wouldn't be exciting ;-)
[14:59] Victor1st Mornington: Aah!
[15:00] Viv Trafalgar: your server will be with you in a moment))
[15:00] Elina Koskinen: I was just on the edge
[15:00] Annechen Lowey: Despite our best efforts, people are able to log on.
[15:00] Rowan Derryth sighs with relief
[15:00] Jedburgh30 Dagger: after all we've done here, we were done in by waistcoats and spats
[15:00] Viv Trafalgar: heheh
[15:01] PJ Trenton wonders how many Salon chairs are now trapped in the abyss
[15:01] Victor1st Mornington chuckles
[15:01] Sredni Eel: I'm glad I didn't take a chair
[15:01] Breezy Carver: grins
[15:01] Elina Koskinen: Watson is down there too!
[15:01] Elina Koskinen: Ah!
[15:01] Elina Koskinen: Thank goodness
[15:01] Breezy Carver: did the sim crash ?
[15:01] AlexVixgeck Quan: For the God's sake! what happens?
[15:01] Rowan Derryth: The Haberdashery Salon is coming apart at the seams!
[15:01] Minako Masala: I'm so glad I have two GBs of RAM
[15:01] Viv Trafalgar: both sims crashed
[15:01] Viv Trafalgar: they're coming back up now
[15:01] Viv Trafalgar: welcome back everyone
[15:01] Minako Masala: not to my knowledge, Miss Carver, given nothing happened to me.
[15:01] Elina Koskinen: no, Academy staid here, I think
[15:01] Sredni Eel: the couch is back
[15:01] Bookworm Hienrichs: Both? Interesting. I didn't notice any interruption on my part.
[15:01] Elina Koskinen: me neither
[15:01] Gabriell Anatra: Nor I.
[15:02] Rowan Derryth: No, we are ok on this side
[15:02] Annechen Lowey: Odd.
[15:02] Rowan Derryth crosses her fingers
[15:02] Gabriell Anatra nods
[15:02] Elilka Sieyes: Yes, relogged to find those in Academy staring into the abyss where my chair had been ;p
[15:02] Viv Trafalgar: That was bad. ok we're back everyone
[15:02] Sredni Eel: yeah, usually you get logged off or something
[15:02] Verlia Bilavio apologizes for landing in Tinus's lap..
[15:02] Sredni Eel: and my scanner is going nuts now
[15:02] Bookworm Hienrichs laughs.
[15:02] Elina Koskinen tries to nudge W's chair on this side
[15:02] Viv Trafalgar: please take your seats or someone else's seat
[15:02] Sandi Levee: *misses her mouth and sticks cake in her ear*
[15:02] Valice Davi: *was ironically listening to Dies Irae*
[15:03] Zachary Somerset chuckles at Davi's comment
[15:03] Breezy Carver: well i think its a very exciting Salon thus far !!
[15:03] Breezy Carver: claps
[15:03] Jimmy Branagh applauds.
[15:03] Breezy Carver: ✰·.·´` Claps Very Loudly!! ´`·.·✰
[15:03] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Hi Edward!
[15:03] Jimmy Branagh: Yes very interestin'
[15:03] Sandi Levee: Applause!!
[15:03] KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Welcome back, Sir Edward.
[15:03] Edward Pearse: That was fun
[15:03] Viv Trafalgar: we'll take a moment to let everyone get settled, find their hair...
[15:03] Breezy Carver: wb wb wb ☆smiles ☆
[15:03] Breezy Carver: ❤*:•;•:*¨¨*:THANK YOU:* *¨¨*:•;•:* ❤
[15:03] AlexVixgeck Quan: Welcome back, Sir!
[15:04] Edward Pearse: I thought I was redmapping
[15:04] Elilka Sieyes: All of that discussion of lapels was too much for the sim.
[15:04] Rhianon Jameson chuckles
[15:04] Ceejay Writer: No, it was Edwards sideburns, I swear!
[15:05] Victor1st Mornington chuckles
[15:05] Valice Davi: Too much epic in one place perhaps.
[15:05] Viv Trafalgar: hehe
[15:05] Christine McAllister grins
[15:05] Sredni Eel: let's face it: beards are too much for the lindens to handle
[15:05] Jimmy Branagh: Mybee it wos the Unfriendly Mutton Chops.
[15:05] PJ Trenton wonders what was in the cake
[15:05] Rowan Derryth: It all unravelled after that
[15:05] PJ Trenton: lol
[15:05] Edward Pearse: That would be these whiskers :-)
[15:05] Sredni Eel: it was a close shave for most of us
[15:05] Breezy Carver: hummmm
[15:05] Ceejay Writer giggles madly.
[15:05] Viv Trafalgar coughs
[15:06] Gabriell Anatra: Hairy business. Indeed.
[15:06] Viv Trafalgar smiles brightly
[15:06] Edward Pearse: Anyway
[15:06] Viv Trafalgar: Welcome back one and all to the aether salon
[15:06] PJ Trenton: Haberdashery...coming apart at the sims ;-)
[15:06] Viv Trafalgar: haberdashery with Edward Pearse!
[15:06] Bookworm Hienrichs laughs.
[15:06] Breezy Carver gives viv some cough drops laces with grins ....
[15:06] Edward Pearse: As I was about to finish up
[15:06] Minako Masala: are you alright Miss Rhianon?
[15:06] Rowan Derryth: You'll have us in stitches
[15:06] Viv Trafalgar: I'll turn the stage back over to Edward now
[15:06] Ceejay Writer applauds Salons That Are By Need Intrepid.
[15:06] Breezy Carver: ✰·.·´` Claps Very Loudly!! ´`·.·✰
[15:06] Rowan Derryth thinks PJ is a joke stealer
[15:06] Sandi Levee: don'd needle the speaker
[15:07] Edward Pearse: Things like buttons on sleeves and buttonholes on lapels are still added to mens clothing
[15:07] Edward Pearse: Long after their original function has vanished in the past
[15:07] Edward Pearse: It's been close to 200 years since men's jackets had buttonable sleeves
[15:08] Edward Pearse: But they're still added to modern suits
[15:08] Viv Trafalgar: oh I've wondered about that but never thought to ask!
[15:08] Rhianon Jameson: Because they look dashing!
[15:08] Valice Davi: same here.
[15:08] Edward Pearse: So
[15:08] Edward Pearse: Miss Viv, how do you want to run questions?
[15:09] Sandi Levee: Best dressed first!
[15:09] Edward Pearse: So no questions then :-)
[15:09] Viv Trafalgar: hehe
[15:09] Jimmy Branagh: LOL
[15:09] Viv Trafalgar: well usually we ask people to say they have questions in open chat
[15:09] Jimmy Branagh will be last
[15:09] Rowan Derryth politely raises her hand
[15:09] Viv Trafalgar: and then sera will call on each in turn
[15:09] Viv Trafalgar: and add to the list
[15:10] Edward Pearse: OK
[15:10] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Edward, the trend during Georgian times was to be clean shaven. When did facial hair come in style?
[15:10] Edward Pearse: who has questions? I can't guarentee I'll know the answer
[15:10] Viv Trafalgar: Rowan, then Jed
[15:10] Edward Pearse: But I can make stuff up
[15:10] Jedburgh30 Dagger: oops
[15:10] Viv Trafalgar: hehe
[15:10] Jimmy Branagh: hehe
[15:10] Rowan Derryth: Go ahead Jed...
[15:10] Viv Trafalgar: Ok Jed then Rowan
[15:10] Viv Trafalgar: someone go :)
[15:11] Rowan Derryth: I think Jed asked already
[15:11] Viv Trafalgar takes a swig of medicinals from somewhere
[15:11] Rowan Derryth points up
[15:11] Edward Pearse: I think the facial hair fashion was an outgrowing of the Crimean War beards
[15:11] Edward Pearse: Obviously not everyone was at Sebastapol
[15:11] Viv Trafalgar: nods
[15:12] Edward Pearse: But when beards became fashionable the trend changed over the passing years
[15:12] Edward Pearse: Men got experimental with their facial hair
[15:12] Victor1st Mornington: O.O
[15:12] Edward Pearse: I don't know if any of you have seen teacups with a piece added onto the inside?
[15:12] Viv Trafalgar: handlebars the size of bowler hats?
[15:13] Sandi Levee: *nodnods*
[15:13] Viv Trafalgar: teacups? please do continue
[15:13] Rowan Derryth: I'm interested in the point about men's fashion not changing too much in the Victorian era, but also particularly how some more Bohemian persons dressed.... it seems to me that where female dress could depart rather drastically from normative dress, men seemed to express themselves in their accessories more... hats, coats, etc... can you speak to that a bit more?
[15:13] Edward Pearse: The addition was there mainly so as not to get tea on the gentleman's mustache
[15:13] Annechen Lowey: The mustache shields?
[15:13] Edward Pearse: Exactly
[15:14] Edward Pearse: Moustache wax was commonly beeswax at the time
[15:14] Edward Pearse: Hot tea on it did not help its style
[15:14] Rowan Derryth: Sorry if I asked out of turn
[15:15] Edward Pearse scrolls back to reread the question
[15:15] Viv Trafalgar: it's a great question
[15:16] Edward Pearse: I can't speak hugely on the Bohemians
[15:16] Edward Pearse: But there were several attempts at dress reform
[15:16] Edward Pearse: Usually aimed more at the ladies
[15:17] Rowan Derryth: I'm thinking of artists like Leighton, Watts, Hunt, wearing smoking caps... the Aesthetes at the Grosvenor... Wilde and Whistler of course
[15:17] Edward Pearse: But menswear came under fire for its conservatism
[15:17] Viv Trafalgar nods and grins
[15:17] Rowan Derryth: I wonder how far their activities departed from typical male dress
[15:17] Edward Pearse: Artistes are their own breed really
[15:18] Edward Pearse: Though having something unusual made for you was not as hard back then as it is now
[15:18] Viv Trafalgar: well self expression seems to be always restricted - in mens clothing
[15:18] Viv Trafalgar: a tie pin and some cufflinks can only say so much
[15:18] Rowan Derryth: Yes, it seemed more subtle...
[15:18] Edward Pearse: Wilde was known to wear colour quite often
[15:19] Rowan Derryth: Well, except for those writing about it...
[15:19] Rowan Derryth: Baudelaire, the idea of the Flaneur
[15:19] Viv Trafalgar: true
[15:19] Rowan Derryth: Yes, and breeches, etc.
[15:19] Edward Pearse: As for gents accessories they were usually were they got to individualise themselves
[15:19] Rowan Derryth nods thoughtfully
[15:20] Edward Pearse: Between styles of walking cane
[15:20] Edward Pearse: Styles of waistcoat
[15:20] Viv Trafalgar: oh - I have a question about walking canes
[15:20] Edward Pearse: Even the assortment of fobs you had on the end of your watch chain
[15:20] Elina Koskinen has to leave now. Thank you for the interesting Salon :) Goodnight!
[15:20] Elilka Sieyes smiles ;)
[15:20] Viv Trafalgar: but i'll wait - are there other questions?
[15:20] Rowan Derryth: What did various fabrics/textiles signifiy... velvet for example?
[15:20] Edward Pearse: Ta ta
[15:21] Edward Pearse: Personal preference and wealth
[15:21] Edward Pearse: A lot of fabrics were expensive
[15:21] Edward Pearse: Or prone to fast wearing
[15:21] Edward Pearse: Velvet being one that wore quickly
[15:22] Edward Pearse: Velvet collars did not last as long as a crossgrain or a satin lapel
[15:22] Viv Trafalgar: what about the significance of different walking canes?
[15:22] Rowan Derryth nods
[15:22] Edward Pearse: And both of those were shorter than a broadcloth lapel
[15:23] Viv Trafalgar: ((any other questions IM me -we'll take two more max)
[15:23] Edward Pearse: There's a lot been written about colours and fabrics and deeper meaning
[15:24] Rowan Derryth: Thank you Edward
[15:24] Edward Pearse: I think a lot of it has been invented later on
[15:24] Edward Pearse: Sort of like "Clan tartan" :-)
[15:24] Viv Trafalgar: oh really?
[15:24] Edward Pearse: What was the next question?
[15:24] Viv Trafalgar: walking canes - different meanings?
[15:25] Viv Trafalgar: i have no more after that
[15:25] Edward Pearse: There were different styles of walking cane but I'm not aware of any specific meanings to them
[15:25] Viv Trafalgar: ok :)
[15:26] Viv Trafalgar: i thought it might be like flowers
[15:26] Edward Pearse: Of course it's very possible it's something I've not read about
[15:26] Edward Pearse: Ah
[15:26] Viv Trafalgar: if there are no further questions
[15:26] Edward Pearse: See again, I think a lot of the flower stuff is more modern
[15:26] Viv Trafalgar: Edward would you put out the craft box?
[15:26] Rowan Derryth: I think many had them individualized though Viv
[15:26] Viv Trafalgar: that makes sense
[15:26] Rowan Derryth: Whistler had one with a butterfly on it.
[15:26] Ceejay Writer: Oooh, crafts!
[15:26] Edward Pearse: Or at least there's a lot of meaning added to it where most people just want to give "flowers"
[15:26] Viv Trafalgar: you mean hand-carved?
[15:28] Jimmy Branagh: (ominous silence)
[15:28] PJ Trenton: shhhh
[15:28] Viv Trafalgar: ((wondering
[15:28] Rowan Derryth: Mmm
[15:28] Bookworm Hienrichs holds her breath...
[15:28] Beq Janus listens for the soft mewling of kittens?
[15:28] Jedburgh30 Dagger crosses fingers
[15:28] Viv Trafalgar: hehehe
[15:29] Bookworm Hienrichs laughs at Beq.
[15:29] Zachary Somerset grins
[15:29] Valice Davi: *is searching for a good questing*
[15:29] Ceejay Writer starts to get nervous.
[15:29] Stargirl Macbain fidgets
[15:29] Jimmy Branagh makes a secret sign
[15:29] Viv Trafalgar: take your time - i'd thought the sim went down again
[15:29] Jedburgh30 Dagger is nervous
[15:29] Edward Pearse: We switched to bunnies :-)
[15:29] Jasper Kiergarten: crashed and is quite confused
[15:29] Jimmy Branagh: Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[15:29] Babbage Engineer wishes he could talk
[15:29] Viv Trafalgar: !!!
[15:29] Beq Janus: glad to hear my suggestion was accceptable :-)
[15:29] Viv Trafalgar: you can Mr. Engineer, if you like
[15:29] Stargirl Macbain thinks Henry should carry around a pencil and paper to solve that problem.
[15:29] Sandi Levee: *wonders if she can rummage through it like the cloak room*
[15:29] Rhianon Jameson applauds the talk.
[15:29] Viv Trafalgar: thank you so much for the craft Edward
[15:29] Jasper Kiergarten: and there, on a handle....was a HOOK@
[15:30] Bookworm Hienrichs applauds.
[15:30] Jimmy Branagh: We should all learn soine language
[15:30] Viv Trafalgar: i'd like to let everyone know - there will be a transcript
[15:30] Tinus Koskinen APPLAUDS!!!
[15:30] Jimmy Branagh applauds.
[15:30] Viv Trafalgar: so that if you missed something we'll have it up this was a wonderful salon –
[15:30] Scarlet Jaggernov applauds
[15:30] Viv Trafalgar: truly great presentation
[15:30] Jasper Kiergarten: indeed
[15:30] Jimmy Branagh: Thet was very interstin!
[15:30] Rowan Derryth: Thank you, fascinating talk!
[15:30] Zachary Somerset applauds
[15:30] Stargirl Macbain: Marvelous!
[15:30] Rhianon Jameson: Indeed!
[15:30] AlexVixgeck Quan: That's nice! And truly inspired
[15:30] Elilka Sieyes claps.
[15:30] Jimmy Branagh applauds.
[15:30] AlexVixgeck Quan: *applauds*
[15:30] Edward Pearse: Glad you enjoyed it
[15:30] KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Persistence in the face of adversity.
[15:30] Viv Trafalgar: next month will be Canolli Capalini's music boxes
[15:30] Ceejay Writer: Very enlightening and enjoyable, Edward!
[15:30] Christine McAllister applauds
[15:30] Valice Davi: Yes, it was very interesting : )
[15:30] KlausWulfenbach Outlander applauds
[15:30] Viv Trafalgar: so please don't come because i want them ALL
[15:30] Serafina Puchkina applauds
[15:31] Bela Lubezki: thank you mister pearse
[15:31] Sandi Levee: Prezzie! Thank you!
[15:31] Bookworm Hienrichs grins at Viv.
[15:31] Viv Trafalgar: ((actually please do come she deserves it))
[15:31] Serafina Puchkina: Very good sir
[15:31] Ceejay Writer: Viv, nice try.
[15:31] Jimmy Branagh: hehe
[15:31] Viv Trafalgar: and
[15:31] Beq Janus applauds Mr Pearse
[15:31] Viv Trafalgar: haha
[15:31] Edward Pearse: Fashion is one of those things you could spend months on and still not cover it all
[15:31] Jimmy Branagh: ((They're great.!))
[15:31] Moses Mureaux: I was quite late, but the portion I did hear was extremely interesting Mr. Pearse.
[15:31] Bookworm Hienrichs: Indeed!
[15:31] Tinus Koskinen: always informative, another fantastic salon.
[15:31] AlexVixgeck Quan: Indeed
[15:31] Beq Janus: thank you Edward for giving up your Monday morning too
[15:31] Viv Trafalgar: and thank you so much Mr. Pearse for putting up with my pestering
[15:31] Sandi Levee: *pokes Jimmy behind the knee with her new can*
[15:31] Jimmy Branagh: Ehhh!
[15:31] Viv Trafalgar: you are wonderful and we're so lucky to have you in babbage
[15:31] Jimmy Branagh: Wotch it!
[15:31] Viv Trafalgar: I'm pleased to give the contents of the speakers fund
[15:31] Viv Trafalgar: which is
[15:31] Jimmy Branagh: 8D
[15:31] Sandi Levee: Thank you for the wonderful lecture!
[15:31] Viv Trafalgar: wow!
[15:32] Beq Janus: which is sizeable :-)
[15:32] Jimmy Branagh: hehe
[15:32] Serafina Puchkina: thank you, your Grace! This was wonderful
[15:32] Viv Trafalgar: $6912 to Edward to thank him
[15:32] Serafina Puchkina: Wow
[15:32] Jimmy Branagh: Whoa!
[15:32] Bookworm Hienrichs: Thank you very much, your Grace!
[15:32] Viv Trafalgar: that's an incredible show of support from the community TO the community and we are glad to pass it on
[15:32] Edward Pearse: I figured something with squids or tentacles would be appropriate for the Babbage gentleman :-)
[15:32] Bookworm Hienrichs chuckles.
[15:33] Annechen Lowey chuckles.
[15:33] Jasper Kiergarten: hehee
[15:33] Stargirl Macbain: Ceeejay.....
[15:33] Ceejay Writer: Staaaar.
[15:33] Elilka Sieyes: Good night, and thank you for encouraging the appreciation of facial hair in New Babbage ;D
[15:33] Stargirl Macbain: My house is right across the street, come have coffee! [15:33] Viv Trafalgar: oh and this is a wonderful walking stick!
[15:33] Sandi Levee: Is it a signal to the Kraken so he won't eat you up?
[15:33] Edward Pearse: And thank you all for your patience :-)
[15:33] Ceejay Writer: I will for a bit, thank you!
[15:33] Stargirl Macbain: no excuse now Ceejay...mwahah :P
[15:33] Serafina Puchkina: thank you, everyone, for coming today. Our next salon is Music Boxes! on March 21. Miss Capalini is the speaker
[15:33] Beq Janus: Don't forget that the Salon itself deserves your support people, the sign outside allows you to show your appreciation for the venue
[15:33] Bookworm Hienrichs yawns, and belatedly hides it behind a hand.
[15:33] Elilka Sieyes: (or good morning, possibly)
[15:33] Ceejay Writer grins.
[15:33] Jimmy Branagh: ((Jim's typist needs to find dinner. Byre all!))
[15:33] Gabriell Anatra: Wiggyfish-hide boots. Like alligator except more durable. :-)
[15:33] Stargirl Macbain: ((bye jimmy !))
[15:33] Bookworm Hienrichs: ((Bye, Jimmy!))
[15:33] KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Gute Nacht, those leaving.
[15:33] Sandi Levee: Bye Jimmy!
[15:33] Jasper Kiergarten: bye Jim
[15:33] Jimmy Branagh waves
[15:33] Valice Davi: Bye Jimmy.
[15:33] Ceejay Writer: ((I will be back and forth getting dinner going but I am going to see STARS HOUSE yay!))
[15:34] Bookworm Hienrichs: ((Yay indeed!))
[15:34] Zachary Somerset frowns and looks at his student, whispering "Did you get enough sleep last night like I suggested?"
[15:34] Sandi Levee: wots dat?
[15:34] Edward Pearse: Sleep? I've heard of it :-)
[15:34] Stargirl Macbain shakes the lag outta her fingers.
[15:34] Bookworm Hienrichs says softly to Mr. Somerset, "I did--I am actually feeling better than I did yesterday."
[15:35] Tinus Koskinen: thank you Edward...good to see you all
[15:35] Edward Pearse: Last call for the boxes
[15:35] Annechen Lowey: If you will pardon me, I have some pub business to attend, sir?
[15:35] Elilka Sieyes nips off to grab five hours before joining a certain someone for Finland v Sweden ;)
[15:35] Stargirl Macbain: Well done Edward!
[15:35] Serafina Puchkina: thank you all
[15:35] Ceejay Writer: G'night everyone! A wonderful gathering.
[15:35] Bookworm Hienrichs waves to Frau Lowey.
[15:35] Beq Janus: boxes?
[15:35] Stargirl Macbain grins. Tootles!
[15:35] Jasper Kiergarten: night Ceejay
[15:35] Zachary Somerset smiles. "Good to hear, Book."
[15:35] Bookworm Hienrichs waves also to Ceejay.
[15:35] Beq Janus: plural?
[15:35] Serafina Puchkina: I will post transcripts this week
[15:35] Edward Pearse: Singular
[15:35] Beq Janus: good
[15:35] Beq Janus: hehe
[15:35] KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Good plan, Frau Lowey.
[15:35] Bookworm Hienrichs: Good day, Baron.
[15:35] Bookworm Hienrichs smiles.

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