Monday, June 21, 2010

Photography! Unedited transcript

[13:58]Linus Lacombe tries in vain to figure out what the wearable chair is called, and stops rutting around his inventory as if it were a truffle
[13:58] Jedburgh30 Dagger: I was assured PJ used deodorant today
[13:58] Rowan Derryth: Not voice, local chat Owl
[13:58] Victor1st MorningtonVictor1st Mornington chuckles
[13:58] Owl Sweetwater: (Ovo) hoots
[13:58] Saffia Widdershins: do a search on Salon, Mr Lacombe!
[13:58] Serafina Puchkina: Hello Bela!
[13:58] Blackberry Harvey: Al, the call of the local chat owl
[13:58] Serafina Puchkina: Welcome
[13:58] Saffia Widdershins: Hello, everyone!
[13:58] Bela Lubezki: hello all
[13:58] Serafina Puchkina: Oh, Hello Saffia
[13:58] Jasper Kiergarten: hi Saffia, Bela
[13:59] Serafina Puchkina: Welcome!
[13:59] Linus Lacombe: much better, Thank you Ms Widdershins
[13:59] Owl Sweetwater: hellos!
[13:59] Rowan Derryth: Hey Saffia!
[13:59] Rowan Derryth: And all
[13:59] Linus Lacombe: Hello Ms Rowan
[13:59] Serafina Puchkina: Hello Mr. Passerine
[13:59] Anne McMinnar: Pardon, where do we get the chairs?
[13:59] Serafina Puchkina: Hiya Miss Ying
[13:59] alan Passerine: hello
[13:59] Jasper Kiergarten: I have them Anne
[13:59] Kimika Ying: Hello!
[13:59] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Ask Jasper for chairs
[14:00] Linus Lacombe thinks we should have a dance interlude with these chairs attached to our behinds...comedy would result, no doubt
[14:00] Jasper Kiergarten: can everyone hear me ok in the back?
[14:00] Owl Sweetwater: cheers for comedy!
[14:00] PJ Trenton: Hi Saffia
[14:00] Anne McMinnar: Thank you, Mr. Kiergarten!
[14:00] Blackberry Harvey: Yes Mr. Jasper
[14:00] Rowan Derryth: Wonderful idea Linus!
[14:00] Bookworm Hienrichs waves to Bela.
[14:00] Serafina Puchkina laughs at Linus' suggestion. Fine idea!
[14:00] Gabrielle Riel: Could you send me a chair when you are able Mr. Kiergarten?
[14:00] Serafina Puchkina: Races down the street would be so amusing
[14:00] Jasper Kiergarten: there you are Gabbi
[14:00] Blackberry Harvey: Flaming chair races!
[14:00] Linus Lacombe: Salon chair races!!
[14:00] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Ultimate chairfighting
[14:01] Saffia Widdershins: Hello Jed!
[14:01] Saffia Widdershins waves
[14:01] Owl Sweetwater: sits daintily on teh ground
[14:01] Serafina Puchkina: oh man
[14:01] Owl Sweetwater: the
[14:01] Victor1st Mornington: ello saffia :)
[14:01] Saffia Widdershins: so many people here I need to plot with ....
[14:01] Gabrielle Riel laughs
[14:01] Blackberry Harvey: Whomever can dunk themselves and their flaming chair in the port first wins!
[14:01] Saffia Widdershins: Mr Mornington! The very man!
[14:01] Gabrielle Riel: I was just thinking the same thing Saffia :-D
[14:01] Victor1st Mornington: :-o it wasnt me....
[14:01] Anne McMinnar: Forgive all the questions, but are we in voice or text?
[14:02] Jasper Kiergarten: text
[14:02] Victor1st Mornington: text :)
[14:02] Anne McMinnar: Excellent! Thank you!
[14:02] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Hello everyone! Ladies and Gentlemen, Serafina, Jasper and I are pleased to welcome you to the June Aether Salon - Photography! I would like to thank each and every one of you for joining us today. Miss Viv is currently abroad and can’t join us, but I’m sure that she is here with us in spirit.
[14:02] Victor1st MorningtonVictor1st Mornington cheers
[14:03] Jedburgh30 Dagger: As many of you know, the Aether Salon meets to discuss steam and Victorian topics on the third Sunday of each month, in Palisades and Academy, New Babbage. This is our 18th salon and I hope you are all as excited about being here today as I am.
[14:03] Linus Lacombe claps
[14:03] Bookworm Hienrichs applauds.
[14:03] Owl Sweetwater: glove claps!
[14:03] Rhianon Jameson nods enthusiastially
[14:03] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Just a few matters of housekeeping before we get started. There are two exits for the salon. Please check to see which one is closer to you, as it may be behind you. In case of a power failure, ground level lighting will guide you to an exit. If you are standing in the back, please move forward onto the maze so that you can be assured of hearing the speaker. Please hold your questions until the end, and as a courtesy to all, please turn off everything that feeds the lag: all HUDs, scripts, AOs and so on. If there is a loss of cabin pressure, oxygen masks will drop from the ceiling. Please no weapons, bombs, rogue scripts, or unmetered poetry. Your cooperation is appreciated.
[14:03] Rhianon Jameson: Or enthusiastically, even.
[14:04] Bookworm Hienrichs laughs.
[14:04] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Edited and unedited transcripts will be posted this week on so you can revisit today’s merriment, read transcripts of past salons, and for a laugh, peruse “overheard at the salon.” Please join the Aether Salon group and receive notifications of future salon events, click the lower right hand corner of the large brown sign by the entrance. We sincerely appreciate the support we receive from everyone in the community and we humbly thank you all
[14:04] Blackberry Harvey wants a hook-up with your lighting specialist.
[14:04] Linus Lacombe wonders with panic where the flotation devices are
[14:04] Serafina Puchkina chuckles and continues to transcribe
[14:04] Bookworm Hienrichs: Your chair cushion can be used, I'm sure.
[14:05] Jasper Kiergarten: lol
[14:05] Bookworm Hienrichs: Another reason to ask Mr. Kiergarten for one.
[14:05] Bookworm Hienrichs grins.
[14:05] Owl Sweetwater: brb
[14:05] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Many fine people have contributed to today’s salon: We are grateful to Canolli Capalini of Capalini Fine Furnishings for the wonderful salon chairs, Miss Ceejay Writer, Mr. Rafael Fabre, Miss Redgirl Llewellen, Miss Breezy Carver, Miss Ahnyanka Delphin for the stage and the citizens of New Babbage who make this event possible.
[14:05] Blackberry Harvey: At the least, you can use it to smack the person next to you and get a headstart.
[14:05] Jedburgh30 Dagger: As a reminder, all speakers' fund jar donations go directly to the speakers. In the unlikely event of a water landing, the cushion of your salon chair can act as a flotation device
[14:05] Linus Lacombe: :-)
[14:05] Jasper Kiergarten: ha
[14:05] Victor1st Mornington chuckles
[14:05] Jedburgh30 Dagger: (I have been stuck in airports a lot lately. Why do you ask?)
[14:06] Rhianon Jameson laughs
[14:06] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Now I will turn the stage over to Jasper for the introduction of today’s speaker. Jasper?
[14:06] Gabrielle Riel says in a stage mean we can't tuck the Lindens in his waistband...?
[14:06] PJ Trenton: o.O
[14:06] Jasper Kiergarten: thank you Jed
[14:06] Serafina Puchkina whispers: I like that idea, Gabi!
[14:06] Rowan Derryth grins at Gabi and gets out her wallet..
[14:06] Gabrielle Riel smiles innocently
[14:07] Jasper Kiergarten: and good afternoon to all of you (or whatever time of day it happens to be where your typists are:) )
[14:07] Jasper Kiergarten: The photographer PJ Trenton has wowed us with his portraits, images, and photo cards of places we love.
[14:07] Jasper Kiergarten: He captures season and setting and personality in ways that the two-dimensional medium usually cannot. And he is extremely politic about his subjects, saying, "Whether one likes or dislikes something is pretty much irrelevant…the importance is in the seeing.
[14:07] Jasper Kiergarten: The creative process can mean such differing and varied things to everyone: a form of expression; a method of communicating; a catalyst for personal growth; a means of sharing; or perhaps even a journey of exploration. This is what fascinates me and what drives me to create."
[14:08] Jasper Kiergarten: As a staff photographer for Primgraph (as well as many others) Magazines, Mr Trenton explores and photographs some of the most beautiful and interesting places across the Aethernet.
[14:08] Jasper Kiergarten: He is also a freelance photographer and graphic designer through my own business, Render Design.
As well, he is the photographer AND designer of our favorite epic image-logue "The Quest or the Golden Prim" ( Based in Second Life, episodes are published in each issue of Primgraph magazine.
[14:09] Linus Lacombe cheers for QPG
[14:09] Victor1st Mornington cheers
[14:09] Linus Lacombe: QGP*
[14:09] Jasper Kiergarten: Mr. Trenton is the owner of Exposure Art Gallery in Tabula Rasa, Avalon Town, where he is pleased to feature and support some of Second Life's greatest artistic talent.
[14:09] Jasper Kiergarten: You are welcome to peruse his work at your leisure here:,, and "The Luminous Lens: Photo Abstractions by PJ Trenton" written by Rowan Derryth ~
[14:09] Jasper Kiergarten: Ladies and gentlemen, please make welcome Mr. PJ Trenton
[14:09] Linus Lacombe claps
[14:09] Rhianon Jameson applauds
[14:09] Bookworm Hienrichs applauds enthusiastically.
[14:09] Serafina Puchkina claps
[14:10] Gabrielle Riel applauds in a ladylike manner
[14:10] Victor1st Mornington applauds
[14:10] Owl Sweetwater: glove claps!
[14:10] Blackberry Harvey applauds
[14:10] Eliza Wierwight: ~applauds~
[14:10] Anne McMinnar: glove claps
[14:10] Annechen Lowey: `*.¸.*´ APPLAUSE `*.¸.*´APPLAUSE `*.¸.*´
[14:10] Rational Clarity: applauds
[14:10] PJ Trenton: Thank you very much Miss Dagger, Miss Puchkina, Mr. Kiergarten and of course Miss Trafalgar for the invitation to lecture today at the prestigious Aether Salon. I am truly honoured to be here to share with everyone a topic I hold very dear to my heart.
[14:10] Saffia Widdershins applauds
[14:10] PJ Trenton: It is wonderful to see all of you today for what I hope will be an interesting and visually stimulating presentation on the history of photography, its pioneers and its development and use in Victorian times.
[14:11] PJ Trenton: You are likely aware of the new adage that a picture is worth 1,000 words. Let me start by saying that while that may possibly be true, my work in the Primgraph is nothing without each and every word written by my many talented colleagues.
[14:11] PJ Trenton: Also, having frequently photographed the Salon, I will do my best to concentrate on the task at hand and refrain from photographing today. If I happen to go silent for any period of time you will know that I failed.
[14:11] Rhianon Jameson chuckles
[14:11] Bookworm Hienrichs chuckles.
[14:12] Rowan Derryth laughs
[14:12] Serafina Puchkina laughs
[14:12] Linus Lacombe titters
[14:12] PJ Trenton: Personally I'm not confident...
[14:12] PJ Trenton: Photography is both art and science. While this presentation may tend more towards the artistic, I trust there is a sufficient amount of science for those who have an interest.
[14:12] PJ Trenton: I have a number of slides to share with you throughout the presentation.
[14:13] PJ Trenton: No discussion on the history of photography can ignore the importance of camera obscura, literally meaning “dark room”. Of significant importance is that its discovery and subsequent development were originally undertaken as a means of facilitating drafting, drawing and painting.
[14:13] PJ Trenton: In its most basic form, a small hole in the side wall of a dark space (say a box or even a room) will cast a replica of the scene outside the hole on the opposite surface, albeit upside down. As further experiments would show, the clarity of the image could be markedly improved by affixing a lens in the hole.
[14:14] PJ Trenton: There are a handful of pioneers in the history of photography worth noting here. I will very briefly introduce them, and their seminal roles in the advent and early development of the medium.
[14:15] PJ Trenton: The invention of photography would not have been possible without a much earlier discovery by German professor Johann Heinrich Schulze.
[14:15] PJ Trenton: (hopes the slides are rezzing for everyone)
[14:15] Owl Sweetwater: (rezzing here)
[14:15] PJ Trenton: Born in 1687, Schulze discovered that certain silver salts, notably silver chloride and silver nitrate, darken in the presence of light. This discovery formed the basis of future experiments by the individuals I will now introduce.
[14:15] Linus Lacombe: (just fine here)
[14:16] PJ Trenton: Using Schulze’s knowledge, Thomas Wedgwood, son of the famous potter Josiah, made the first attempts to record an image onto a surface. Shortly before 1800, he began by coating paper or white leather with a solution of silver nitrate.
[14:16] PJ Trenton: Flat objects or painted transparencies were placed in contact with the prepared surface and then exposed to sunlight. Uncovered areas became darker the longer they were exposed. Alas, Wedgwood was unsuccessful in finding a method to desensitize the exposed areas.
[14:17] PJ Trenton: This meant that the surfaces continued to darken with further exposure to sunlight. He had to store these “sun prints” in absolute darkness and they could only be viewed for very short periods of time using candlelight.
[14:17] PJ Trenton: French inventor Nicephore Niepce, born in 1765, is credited with producing the first permanent photograph in 1826. This “success” was after many years of experimentation, first from the creation of a negative image and ultimately to a positive image.
[14:18] PJ Trenton: The key here was finding a substance that was sensitive to light that could be treated so that it would bleach when exposed, rather than darken. This substance turned out to be bitumen of Judea, used at the time by etchers to create engraving plates.
[14:19] PJ Trenton: He dissolved the bitumen with oil of lavender or oil from distilled animal bones, and spread the substance on a well polished pewter plate. His first success was an exact reproduction of an existing engraving of Georges d’Amboise, Cardinal and Archbishop of Reims.
[14:19] PJ Trenton: This is the first photomechanical technique that essentially eliminated the “hand of man” in reproducing pictures.
[14:19] PJ Trenton: He eventually took his experiments even farther and made direct positives on metal and glass plates that he would expose to light through a camera obscura.
[14:20] PJ Trenton: These plates would then be placed over a box containing iodine which is gaseous at room temperature. The gas darkened the plate in the more shadowed areas of the image.
[14:20] PJ Trenton: This first positive photograph on the screen is the result; a very rudimentary image depicting the view from an upper window of his house.
[14:20] Rowan Derryth: love that image.
[14:20] Serafina Puchkina: impressive
[14:20] PJ Trenton: Amazingly, this image took 8 hours to create but was almost evenly lit as a result of the sun moving across the image over the full exposure time. The image is also laterally reversed and was named a heliograph by Niepce.
[14:21] PJ Trenton: Frenchman Louis Daguerre was a scenic artist who specialized in painting stage sets for opera and theatre. He co-owned a theatre built to display the “Diorama,” a 46 x 72 foot painting created with frequent use of a camera obscura.
[14:21] PJ Trenton: He was conducting his experiments at approximately the same time as Niepce and the two actually became business partners for a period of four years beginning in 1829.
[14:22] PJ Trenton: Daguerre is best known for the invention of the Daguerreotype which in essence is a copper plate coated in iodine, then exposed to light for several minutes before being subjected to mercury vapour heated to 75° Celsius. This amalgamated the mercury with the silver.
[14:22] PJ Trenton: The resultant plate produced an exact reproduction of the scene. He would then fix the image by soaking the plate in salt water.
[14:22] Gabrielle Riel grins - no risk of poisoning there...oh no...
[14:22] Rowan Derryth laughs
[14:22] PJ Trenton: heh
[14:22] PJ Trenton: The image was laterally reversed, unless a second mirror was used during exposure to mirror the image. The image could only be viewed at an angle and needed protection from the air and fingerprints so was encased in a glass-fronted box.
[14:22] Rowan Derryth: And then they all went MAD
[14:23] Linus Lacombe: Mercury is so healthful! Just like arsenic!
[14:23] Rowan Derryth: Great for the skin.
[14:23] Rhianon Jameson: Indeed.
[14:23] PJ Trenton: Daguerre is also credited with taking the first photograph featuring a person, taken in 1838 and displayed on the screen. It may be very hard to see the person, but they are down in the lower left, apparently having their shoes shined.
[14:23] Bookworm Hienrichs: Oh, wow.
[14:23] Owl Sweetwater: i love this image
[14:23] Linus Lacombe: ooh!
[14:23] PJ Trenton: While Niepce and Daguerre had utilized somewhat similar processes to produce photographic images, those by Niepce were less refined than those of Daguerre.
[14:24] Owl Sweetwater: the shadows of the passing crowd seem to be there
[14:24] Rowan Derryth nods
[14:24] PJ Trenton: This was a combination of slightly different chemicals and compounds and differences in the quality of the equipment utilized by each.
[14:24] Linus Lacombe wonders how many of those buildings are the and if a comparison photo has been taken in more modern times
[14:24] PJ Trenton: After Niepce died, Daguerre continued to refine his processes, and as a result, he considered the final invention to be his own rather than joint to the original partnership. He produced a highly successful still life in 1837.
It would be very interesting to see what this view looks like now
[14:25] PJ Trenton: He presented his findings at l’Academie des Sciences and was written about in the Gazette de France in early 1839 and later that year his patent was acquired by the French government.
[14:25] Jasper Kiergarten: indeed
[14:25] Rowan Derryth: Good question Linus. Lots of the Parisien ones till exist from 19th c. etchings, so maybe.
[14:25] PJ Trenton: At the same time, in England, William Fox Talbot was working independently on an almost identical technique to Daguerre’s.
[14:26] Rowan Derryth: You can still find places Whistler etched.
[14:26] PJ Trenton: Imagine his surprise to hear reports of Daguerre’s initiatives and presentations of his process at l’Academie. It then became a matter of urgency to publish his work in order to claim the invention of the process in his own name.
[14:26] PJ Trenton: Fox Talbot treated paper with sodium chloride followed by a strong solution of silver nitrate. This created the light sensitive silver chloride.
[14:27] Rowan Derryth raises her glass to Fox Talbot!
[14:27] PJ Trenton: Similar to Wedgwood, he placed objects like leaves, lace or a feather in contact with the paper and exposed it to light. Unlike Wedgwood, he had discovered how to fix the negative using a strong solution of salt or potassium iodide.
[14:27] Gabrielle Riel: Who needs absinthe when one has sodium chloride followed by a strong solution of silver nitrate?
[14:27] Rowan Derryth laughs
[14:27] PJ Trenton: He described in his notes how a positive image could be made from the negative stating “if the paper is transparent, the first drawing may serve as an object, to produce a second drawing in which the light and shadows would be reversed.”
[14:28] PJ Trenton: Fox Talbot is credited with producing the first book which contained photographic images, entitled The Pencil of Nature, published in 1844-46. He named his technique a calotype and secured his patent from the British Government in 1841.
[14:29] PJ Trenton: Here you see the cover and two of the images which appeared in the book.
[14:29] Rowan Derryth: You CAN still go see that door, Linus.
[14:29] Linus Lacombe: :-)
[14:29] Bookworm Hienrichs chuckles.
[14:29] Rowan Derryth smiles
[14:29] PJ Trenton: Frederick Scott Archer introduced the next innovation in photographic technology in 1851 by discovering a method of sensitizing glass plates with silver salts by the use of collodion.
[14:30] PJ Trenton: Collodion is a solution of nitrocellulose in alcohol and ether. It is particularly viscous and dries into a tough, waterproof film.
[14:30] PJ Trenton: Archer added potassium iodide to the collodion and coated a glass plate with it. Dipped in silver nitrate, the silver ions combined with the iodine ions to form silver iodide which is light-sensitive.
[14:30] Rhianon Jameson: A little flamable, though, perhaps?
[14:30] Hadet Sonnenkern: Just a bit.
[14:30] Bookworm Hienrichs: What could possibly go wrong?
[14:31] PJ Trenton: What's the fun in inventing without a little danger? ;-)
[14:31] Rhianon Jameson snerks
[14:31] PJ Trenton: The plate was exposed while wet, inside the camera and then developed in pyrogallic acid, fixed, washed and dried.
[14:31] Linus Lacombe: for one thing the no smoking sign could get broken...
[14:31] PJ Trenton: Needless to say, the process had to be completed very quickly before the collodion dried and required the photographer to be relatively close to a dark room. Those using this process in the field had to have some sort of portable darkroom, such as a wagon or tent.
[14:32] Owl Sweetwater: its the horse-drawn street view van!
[14:32] PJ Trenton: Such as the wagon of Roger Fenton depicted here...
[14:32] Rowan Derryth: Imagine hauling all that equipment around
[14:32] PJ Trenton: Using the colloid process, cameras had to be mounted on a tripod as exposure time could range anywhere from 15 seconds to over a minute depending on the level of light present.
[14:32] Rowan Derryth: Victorian Google?
[14:32] Owl Sweetwater: mmhm! ㋡
[14:33] gina Broono: Ansel Adams carrying that equipment into the Grand Canyon
[14:33] PJ Trenton: The collodion process had replaced the daguerreotype and calotype processes within about a decade of its invention and was the dominant process until the 1880s.
[14:33] gina Broono: I mean to Yosemite
[14:33] Bookworm Hienrichs winces at the thought.
[14:33] PJ Trenton: There are certainly other pioneers in the history of photography, but their contributions tended more towards technique and style rather than technical development. We will hear about some of these individuals later in the presentation.
[14:33] Bela Lubezki reads "Roger Trenton"...
[14:34] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Matthew Brady
[14:34] Rowan Derryth: Ha!
[14:34] PJ Trenton grins
[14:34] Linus Lacombe: heh!
[14:34] Rowan Derryth: Yes, all the Civil War photos, amazing
[14:34] PJ Trenton: Next I will discuss the development of portraiture from the 1840s onwards.
[14:34] PJ Trenton: While Daguerre is credited with the first photograph of a human being in 1838, it wasn’t until 1840 that photography is used specifically to create portraits of individuals, families and groups. In its earliest stages, the daguerreotype process was not conducive to portrait photography and seen as excessively complicated.
[14:34] Owl Sweetwater: interesting the published the war dead photos then, but not now
[14:35] PJ Trenton: In some of the earliest portraits, sitters were braced with a complicated frame to help them remain still during the exposure.
[14:35] Blackberry Harvey: Ooh, I want one
[14:35] PJ Trenton points at the screen which depicts an example...
[14:35] Rowan Derryth: heh
[14:36] PJ Trenton: The complexities of the early daguerreotype also made the French government order Daguerre to give public demonstrations. Not long after though, Daguerre returned to his old life of scene painting and did little to improve his invention.
[14:36] PJ Trenton: However, by the end of 1840, three technical advancements helped make portrait photography easier, more affordable and by extension, more widely accessible.
[14:36] Rowan Derryth: Those French!
[14:37] PJ Trenton: Improvements in lens quality, the light sensitivity of plates and the introduction of gilding lessened the amount of time required to sit for a portrait and made the final product much clearer and more intense.
[14:37] PJ Trenton: More importantly, these advances resulted in a proliferation of portrait studios throughout the Western world, thus lowering the cost and increasing the availability of having your portrait taken.
[14:37] PJ Trenton: Apparently individuals could become technically proficient enough to open a studio in about two weeks.
[14:38] Bookworm Hienrichs whistles.
[14:38] Saffia Widdershins laughs
[14:38] Saffia Widdershins: the joys of new media
[14:38] Rowan Derryth: ha
[14:38] Victor1st Mornington: XD
[14:38] Serafina Puchkina grins
[14:38] Linus Lacombe: what? Its just a few highly combustable and dangerous chemicals!
[14:38] PJ Trenton: I opened my first studio here in one week...just sayin'
[14:38] Rowan Derryth: It's a snap, Linus
[14:38] Rhianon Jameson grins
[14:38] Bookworm Hienrichs laughs.
[14:38] Rowan Derryth laughs
[14:38] PJ Trenton: Cheapness of production and increased competition meant that citizens from wider strata of society could afford to have their portraits taken. It is estimated that in the year ending in June 1855, over 400,000 daguerreotypes were taken in Massachusetts alone.
[14:38] Linus Lacombe: easy peasy
[14:39] Rowan Derryth wonders what PJ's very first pictures look like.
[14:39] PJ Trenton searches
[14:39] PJ Trenton: Sitters tended to be posed against plain backgrounds and illuminated by diffuse light sources such as windows and skylights. Portraits took approximately 30 seconds and required both sitting perfectly still and assuming a natural expression.
[14:39] Rhianon Jameson: Usually grim-faced, as I recall. :)
[14:39] Victor1st Mornington chuckles
[14:39] Gabrielle Riel: Indeed
[14:40] PJ Trenton: That's how I photograph many of my subjects here...
[14:40] Rowan Derryth: Try smiling without moving for 30 seconds.
[14:40] PJ Trenton: Any movement would ruin the image and there was no retouching possible on the final image with the exception of delicate tinting. Not the easiest way to model and made more complicated with larger family or group images.
[14:40] Anne McMinnar: Imagine getting children to sit still for 30 seconds...
[14:40] Victor1st Mornington: impossible....rofl
[14:41] Rowan Derryth: nope. Blurry-headed babies.
[14:41] PJ Trenton: A New York gallery boasted of a daily production of three hundred to one thousand portraits. It has been estimated that 95% of all daguerreotypes were portraits.
[14:41] Rhianon Jamesonlaughs. "Just little blurs on the photo."
[14:41] Rowan Derryth: daily! Jeez.
[14:41] PJ Trenton: One popular use of portraits was for so called “carte de visite.”
[14:41] PJ Trenton: Patented in Paris in 1854 by André Disdéri, the paper photograph was mounted on a thicker paper card. The size of a carte de visite was 2⅛ × 3½ inches mounted on a card of 2½ × 4 inches.
[14:41] Rowan Derryth: Love those!
[14:42] PJ Trenton: Apparently before Quest for the Golden Prim cards...there were these things to collect...
[14:42] Victor1st Mornington: ahhhhhh sepia tones *sighs*
[14:42] Rowan Derryth laughs
[14:42] Bookworm Hienrichs chuckles.
[14:42] Linus Lacombe: eheehee
[14:42] PJ Trenton: Now we turn our attention to the artistic aspects of photography in the period.
[14:43] PJ Trenton: One of my favourite quotations was by the English critic C. Jabez Hughes who wrote in an 1861 issue of the American Journal of Photography:
[14:43] Victor1st Mornington: now thats a nice shot...
[14:43] Hadet Sonnenkern: Agreed
[14:43] PJ Trenton: “Hitherto photography has been principally content with representing Truth. Can its sphere not be enlarged? And may it not aspire to delineate Beauty, too?”
[14:43] Rowan Derryth: Truth and Beauty. How Aesthetic.
[14:43] PJ Trenton: The continuing development and refinement of photographic techniques and processes, in addition to its continually declining costs meant an increasing number of amateurs and those interested in the artistic opportunities of the camera began to flourish.
[14:44] PJ Trenton: These photographers did not need studios and clients but rather pointed their lenses at friends, family and other acquaintances; or at buildings and scenes that appealed to them.
[14:44] PJ Trenton: As a result we have some remarkable portraits, scenes and images of a much more artistic nature than had been seen to date.
[14:44] PJ Trenton: Allegories and depictions from popular literature were one of the first forays into a more artistic treatment of photography.
[14:45] Serafina Puchkina: ooooo!
[14:45] PJ Trenton: While partners David Hill and Robert Adamson produced an astonishing record of Victorian Scotland during their 4 year partnership, they also encouraged friends to dress up in any variety of costumes to be depicted, for example, in passages from the novels of Sir Walter Scott.
[14:45] Victor1st Mornington: ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[14:45] Rhianon Jameson smiles at this
[14:45] Rowan Derryth: Yay! Hill and Adamson!
[14:45] Linus Lacombe wonders in what year the first photos of boys making bunny ears on their freinds in photos were made
[14:45] Rowan Derryth: Scottish, ya know!
[14:45] Anne McMinnar: ah, those wacky Scots
[14:45] Bookworm Hienrichs laughs.
[14:45] Serafina Puchkina chuckles at Linus
[14:45] Jasper Kiergarten: oy!
[14:45] Rowan Derryth: ha!
[14:45] PJ Trenton: One of the pioneers of artistic photography in the 1850s was Henry Peach Robinson. The image on the screen created quite a stir when produced in 1858.
[14:46] Jasper Kiergarten: or rather, Ach aye
[14:46] Rowan Derryth: Lovely!
[14:46] Tricia Aferdita: oh beautiful
[14:46] Rowan Derryth: Not Och aye?
[14:46] PJ Trenton: Entitled Fading Away, it is a print made from five negatives. While the main subject of the photograph was in fact healthy, Robinson undertook the work to “see how near death she could be made to look.”
[14:46] Bookworm Hienrichs: Oh, my...
[14:46] Rowan Derryth: Fantastic.
[14:46] PJ Trenton: In general, the public was outraged at the depiction of such a personal scene of suffering and sorrow. He ultimately created a significant body of art photographs throughout his career.
[14:47] Linus Lacombe: seems to have dimension almost
[14:47] Blackberry Harvey: That's a wonderful picture
[14:47] Rowan Derryth: So theatrical.
[14:47] Blackberry Harvey: Great thought put into the staging
[14:47] PJ Trenton: Perhaps some of the most dynamic and artistic portraits produced in the 1860s and 70s were those by Julia Margaret Cameron.
[14:47] Rowan Derryth smiles
[14:47] PJ Trenton: Cameron is a great example of the amateur taking up the camera and using it in much different ways than the “so called” professional operating commercial studios. Cameron’s images are stunning, beautiful and undeniably artistic.
[14:48] Rowan Derryth: Mmhmm!!
[14:48] PJ Trenton: Where she may have lacked in technical expertise, she certainly made up for with deliberate methods to get the results she desired; purposely for instance blurring or taking images out-of-focus.
[14:48] PJ Trenton: In terms of subjects, it didn’t hurt that she was often surrounded by illustrious friends such as Tennyson, Darwin, Carlyle, Browning and Longfellow.
[14:48] Gabrielle Riel: Indeed!
[14:49] PJ Trenton: One of her favourite subjects was Alice Liddell, also a favourite photographic subject of Lewis Carroll and the inspiration behind Carroll’s classic Alice in Wonderland.
[14:49] Victor1st Mornington: XD
[14:49] Rowan Derryth: She was a bad-ass. In Victorian terms, you know.
[14:49] Rhianon Jameson laughs
[14:49] Linus Lacombe laughs
[14:49] Serafina Puchkina grins
[14:49] PJ Trenton: Cameron’s work, while oft criticized at the time, has come to be appreciated as a significant contribution in the annals of art, photography and history.
[14:50] Rowan Derryth: So exquisite.
[14:50] Rowan DerrythRowan Derryth sighs
[14:50] PJ Trenton: And finally, with the impressive Babbage skyline and its intricate underground tunnels, I thought I would end with one final photographic pioneer that Babbagers might be interested to learn about.
[14:50] Victor1st Mornington: ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh XD
[14:50] PJ Trenton: Félix Nadar was the pseudonym of Gaspard-Félix Tournachon (1820 –1910). Nadar, as he was commonly known, has two very important photographic firsts to his name.
[14:51] PJ Trenton: First, he is credited with taking the first photographs from the air. Nadar was an avid balloonist and from that vantage point, took numerous images of Paris.
[14:51] Owl Sweetwater: hops on the basket
[14:51] Gabrielle Riel: Wow wow wow
[14:51] Rowan Derryth: He was crazy! Hung out with those bohemians, you know.
[14:51] PJ Trenton: Secondly, he discovered a way of lighting dark and dreary locations underground, such as the Paris sewers.
[14:51] Rhianon Jameson wonders how he kept the basket steady
[14:51] Gabrielle Riel: Those pics of l'étoile...
[14:51] PJ Trenton: This meant that they could now be photographed. Samples of both are on the screen, including a self-portrait in his balloon basket which he took in his studio.
[14:52] Rowan Derryth: Indeed!
[14:52] Rational Clarity wonders if straight up is named after him
[14:52] Jasper Kiergarten: 1858, wow
[14:52] PJ Trenton: I will end my presentation here, and thank you for your attention.
[14:52] Linus Lacombe: `*.¸.*´ APPLAUSE `*.¸.*´APPLAUSE `*.¸.*´
[14:52] Victor1st Mornington cheers
[14:52] Owl Sweetwater: calps!
[14:52] KlausWulfenbach Outlander applauds
[14:52] Bookworm Hienrichs: YAY!
[14:52] PJ Trenton: Obviously this is a very broad subject which is difficult to cover in such a short period of time. I trust you have found it informative, educational and interesting. Thank you so much for attending.
[14:52] Jasper Kiergarten: excellent
[14:52] Rowan Derryth: CHEERS!!!!
[14:52] Rhianon Jameson applauds
[14:52] Blackberry Harvey: Huzzah!
[14:52] Tricia Aferdita: ''*·.¸ APPLAUSE ¸.·*``
[14:52] Anne McMinnar applauds enthusiastically
[14:52] Saffia Widdershins applauds
[14:52] Rowan Derryth: More!!!!
[14:52] Tricia Aferdita: ''*·.¸ APPLAUSE ¸.·*``
[14:52] Gabrielle Riel applauds
[14:52] Blackberry Harvey: Quite lovely, sir
[14:52] Rowan Derryth: Fantastic!
[14:52] Eliza Wierwight: ~applauds~
[14:52] Serafina Puchkina applauds
[14:53] Parker Rumsford applauds
[14:53] Bela Lubezki claps frenetically
[14:53] PJ Trenton: :-)
[14:54] PJ Trenton: It was a fascinating subject to peruse
[14:54] Rowan Derryth: Wonderfully researched!
[14:54] PJ Trenton: ...and so many other images I would have loved to share with you
[14:54] Serafina Puchkina: Does anyone have a question for the speaker?
[14:54] Linus Lacombe: You chose splendid images, PJ
[[14:54] AM Radio: nadar's discovery for taking pictures in the dark, what was it?
[14:55] Milla Janick: Thank you very much for the presentation.
[14:55] gina Broono: The pinhole camera is also another amazing invention
[14:55] gina Broono: that si used even today
[14:55] Saffia Widdershins: Indeed. It's been fascinating. Sadly ... I have to run away. Thank you SO much for the presentation - I learned a lot!
[14:55] Jasper Kiergarten: bye Saffia
[14:55] Linus Lacombe waves goodbye to Saffia
[14:55] Victor1st Mornington: bye saffia! :)
[14:55] PJ Trenton: well in essence it was a method of bringing light there
[14:55] Hadet Sonnenkern: Thank you very interesting prensentation
[14:56] Rational Clarity: Yes, thank you.
[14:56] AM Radio: magnesium flash?
[14:56] PJ Trenton: Thanks for coming Saffia
[14:57] PJ Trenton: I will have to double check on that
[14:57] Owl Sweetwater: the painter Chuck Close has been making daguerretypes recently- compelling and beautiful to see
[14:57] Linus Lacombe raises his hand
[14:57] Rowan Derryth: Pj, in your research, what new photographer did you discover that you most liked, or who you could relate to from your own work?
[14:57] Rowan Derryth: Oops, sorry Linus, too excited and I blurted.
[14:58] Serafina Puchkina: Linus, your question
[14:58] PJ Trenton: lol
[14:58] Serafina Puchkina: Then Rowan's
[14:58] Linus Lacombe asks..."would you ever consider doing a presentation in SL on 19th century spirit photography, from an artistic perspective?"
[14:58] Rowan Derryth: Oooh. Wonderful!
[14:59] Bookworm Hienrichs: Hmmm...that's a Salon topic in and of itself. Spiritualism.
[14:59] Jasper Kiergarten: indeed
[14:59] PJ Trenton: hmmmm...there's a very interesting question
[14:59] Linus Lacombe: I was just so impressed with this presentation that I had to ask
[15:00] Rowan Derryth: Interesting topic in general... Theosophy... mediums, etc.
[15:00] PJ Trenton: I understand that Doyle wrote a text related to that and certainly worth a bit of research!
[15:00] Rowan Derryth: Doyle's work.
[15:00] Rowan Derryth: jinx
[15:00] PJ Trenton: lol
[15:00] Bookworm Hienrichs laughs.
[15:00] Linus Lacombe: hehee
[15:00] straitsilver Lekvoda: hello
[15:00] KlausWulfenbach Outlander: The doctor should be the speaker for that Salon, ja?
[15:01] PJ Trenton: I have certainly expanded my knowledge in preparing for this presentation and am all for further investigation!
[15:01] Serafina Puchkina thinks that it would make a good salon topic for the fall
[15:01] Serafina Puchkina: Yes, Baron. Excellent
[15:01] KlausWulfenbach OutlanderKlausWulfenbach Outlander bows from his seat
[15:01] PJ Trenton: :-)
[15:02] Rowan Derryth raises her hand politely this time.
[15:02] Owl Sweetwater: lol
[15:02] Zanoni Firecloak: Good day
[15:02] PJ Trenton: and going back briefly to AM's question, Nadar was able to utilize electric light in order to take these underground sewer photographs
[15:03] PJ Trenton: so a constant light source rather than a "flash" of light
[15:03] PJ Trenton: the exposure times would not lend themselves to brief lighting
[15:03] AM Radio: interesting. thank you PJ
[15:03] Rowan Derryth: Interesting, didn't know that.
[15:03] Serafina Puchkina: Pj, in your research, what new photographer did you discover that you most liked, or who you could relate to from your own work?
[15:03] PJ Trenton: this was the first time that electric light was able to be used in this way
[15:03] Serafina Puchkina: (that was Rowan's question)
[15:04] PJ Trenton: Well I'm thinking Nadar...heck...look at that balloon!
[15:04] Rowan Derryth thanks Serafina
[15:04] Rhianon Jameson chuckles
[15:04] Rowan Derryth: ha!
[15:04] Bookworm Hienrichs chuckles.
[15:04] PJ Trenton: I'm sure the ladies swooned...
[15:04] Rowan Derryth: ANd he was tight with Baudelaire, so I'm not surprised ;-)
[15:04] PJ Trenton searches his inventory for a balloon
[15:04] Gabrielle Riel: That pic of l'étoile makes ME swoon!
[15:04] Jasper Kiergarten: that's such a classic shot too
[15:04] Jasper Kiergarten: Nadar in the ballon
[15:04] Owl Sweetwater: (swoons)!
[15:04] gina Broono: lol
[15:04] PJ Trenton: although it has a very Over the Falls look to it
[15:04] Bookworm Hienrichs laughs.
[15:05] AM Radio: Nadar's self pprtrat is either the most ridiculous or the most awesome self portrait ever.
[15:05] Rowan Derryth gives Owl some smelling salts.
[15:05] PJ Trenton: I'm sure I have the PJ's typist in a barrel shot somewhere
[15:05] AM Radio: i am edging on awesome
[15:05] Owl Sweetwater: oh my goodness!
[15:05] Owl Sweetwater: i have the vapors!
[15:05] PJ Trenton: exactly!
[15:05] Rowan Derryth: In fact, I think Nadar and Baudelaire shared a mistress. Incidentally.
[15:05] Rhianon Jameson: He has a sense of the theatrical.
[15:05] Bookworm Hienrichs coughs.
[15:05] Owl Sweetwater: that's very gregarious of them!
[15:05] Jasper Kiergarten: I'm headed towards awesome as well
[15:05] gina Broono: how did the mistress feel about that?
[15:05] PJ Trenton: Of course, having been in the tunnels under Babbage.
[15:05] Rhianon Jameson: It doesn't seem terribly sanitary.
[15:05] Rowan Derryth: Courbet may have been in the mix too.
[15:05] Rowan Derryth thinks.
[15:06] Owl Sweetwater: !!!
[15:06] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Probablt never asked her
[15:06] PJ Trenton looks for his time machine...
[15:06] Bookworm Hienrichs laughs.
[15:06] Owl Sweetwater: wow ..who was this turbo chippie!?
[15:06] Rowan Derryth laughs
[15:06] Rowan Derryth: NOT Joanna Hiffernan
[15:06] Owl Sweetwater: loves the word "chippie"
[15:06] Bookworm Hienrichs waves to ask a question that will get us somewhat back on topic.
[15:06] Rowan Derryth: She only shared herself with COurbet and Whistler
[15:06] Rowan Derryth: I think
[15:06] Bookworm Hienrichs grins.
[15:06] Rhianon Jameson: Isn't that where one buys fish & chips?
[15:06] Jasper Kiergarten: grins at book
[15:06] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Book has a question
[15:06] Rowan Derryth: Sorry Book ;-)
[15:07] PJ Trenton gets out the Book of answers
[15:07] Bookworm Hienrichs: Only somewhat, though, as it's more personal to you, PJ.
[15:07] Bookworm Hienrichs: What in Second Life inspires you in your photography here?
[15:07] PJ Trenton: No, I refrained from taking any photographs
[15:07] Rowan Derryth doubts that.
[15:07] PJ Trenton: Well, the amazing creativity of so many people I know...
[15:08] PJ Trenton: People who take the time and care to create things that are so beautifully designed
[15:08] PJ Trenton: They inspire me in so many ways
[15:08] PJ Trenton tries not to look too directly at the tall hat...
[15:09] Bookworm Hienrichs smiles around at the many builders and creators here.
[15:09] Rowan Derryth laughs and agrees.
[15:09] Serafina Puchkina knows you all ain't looking at me
[15:09] PJ Trenton: I think what I like most is non-randomness...spaces that are cohesive
[15:09] PJ Trenton: Babbage and environs is a perfect example
[15:10] PJ Trenton: I would say that some of my most inspired work has come from here
[15:10] PJ Trenton: and of course having a slave driver to send you to all of these places...
[15:10] Bookworm Hienrichs laughs.
[15:10] AM Radio looks around for a tall hat
[15:10] PJ Trenton: oh wait...strike that from the transcript
[15:10] Serafina Puchkina: too late
[15:10] Jedburgh30 Dagger: too late
[15:10] PJ Trenton: doh!
[15:10] Bookworm Hienrichs snickers.
[15:10] Rowan Derryth laughs
[15:10] PJ Trenton makes a note to hack the Aether Salon blog later
[15:11] Jedburgh30 Dagger makes a note to send the transcript to the Primgraph
[15:11] Rowan Derryth grins
[15:11] PJ Trenton makes a note to get Lady Copperhead's bad side
[15:11] Linus Lacombe laugs
[15:12] AM Radio: This was great. thanks PJ.
[15:12] Linus Lacombe laughs too
[15:12] Rowan Derryth: ha!
[15:12] PJ Trenton: I'm so glad you could make it AM
[15:12] Rowan Derryth: Yes, wonderful.
[15:12] Serafina Puchkina: Are there any more questions for PJ?
[15:12] Gabrielle Riel: And very well done to get it into the hour!
[15:12] Jedburgh30 Dagger thinks all of LC's sides are bad
[15:12] PJ Trenton: lol
[15:12] gina Broono: PJ and all it was truly wonderful. now I must run and see all the places in your Picks.
[15:12] PJ Trenton: Thanks so much for coming
[15:12] Serafina Puchkina: Thank you all for coming today! Thank you PJ for a most enlightening presentation
[15:12] Bookworm Hienrichs applauds again.
[15:13] Rhianon Jameson applauds again.
[15:13] PJ Trenton: It was both my honour and pleasure
[15:13] Rowan Derryth applauds heartily
[15:13] Serafina Puchkina: A reminder that we will be on summer break until September
[15:13] Owl Sweetwater: thank you Mr. Trenton!
[15:13] gina Broono: you are welcome and personal thanks to Mr. AM RAdio for inviting me to this enchanted place
[15:13] Annechen Lowey: `*.¸.*´ APPLAUSE `*.¸.*´APPLAUSE `*.¸.*´
[15:13] Linus Lacombe: `*.¸.*´ APPLAUSE `*.¸.*´APPLAUSE `*.¸.*´
[15:13] PJ Trenton: I'll next be appearing at the Holiday Inn out by the airport
[15:13] Bookworm Hienrichs lauighs.
[15:13] Bookworm Hienrichs: YAY!
[15:13] Serafina Puchkina: If you would like to join the AetherSalon group there is a sign by the door
[15:13] Serafina Puchkina: Please show your speaker love by using the tip jar
[15:13] Linus Lacombe: WIll you be showing photos, or playing piano in the lounge at the Holiday Inn, PJ?
[15:13] PJ Trenton: oh and I have a gift!
[15:14] Rowan Derryth: He does a mean karaoke.
[15:14] PJ Trenton: A commemorative book of photographs of Babbage
[15:14] Serafina Puchkina: All funds go directly to the speaker
[15:14] Bookworm Hienrichs: Wonderful!
[15:14] KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Splendid.
[15:14] Rowan Derryth: yay!
[15:14] Linus Lacombe: Thank you very much!
[15:14] Bela Lubezki: ah, the gift
[15:14] PJ Trenton: Please grab a copy from the box :-)
[15:14] Serafina Puchkina: Transcripts will be posted this week at
[15:14] Rhianon Jameson: Thank you, sir!
[15:15] Serafina Puchkina: PJ thank you for this month's craft
[15:15] Larkworthy Antfarm: Thanks for a delightful presentation!
[15:15] Serafina Puchkina: Everyone please take a craft home with you
[15:15] Rowan Derryth: Thank you!
[15:15] PJ Trenton: Thanks so much to everyone for joining me today!
[15:16] Bookworm Hienrichs: Thank you for a very enlightening lecture, Mr. Trenton!
[15:16] PJ Trenton: and thanks to Jed, Sera and Jasper for all of their hard work in putting this together!
[15:16] Linus Lacombe: `*.¸.*´ APPLAUSE `*.¸.*´APPLAUSE `*.¸.*´
[15:16] PJ Trenton: I'm sorry that Miss Viv was unable to join us
[15:16] Serafina Puchkina applauds wildly
[15:16] Rhianon Jameson bids a good evening to all and catches the next airship back to Caledon.
[15:16] Bookworm Hienrichs will have pictures posted sometime mid- to late-week.
[15:16] Serafina Puchkina: Thank you all for coming
[15:16] Jasper Kiergarten: thanks Book!
[15:16] Gabrielle Riel runs, following Miss Jameson
[15:17] Bookworm Hienrichs: ((I have a guest for the weekend, so I'll be later with Salon and the New Babbage Ball pictures.))
[15:17] Rowan Derryth: I took lots of pics, I'll make sure to share them
[15:18] Bookworm Hienrichs: ((In fact, I should let her know this is done. We have a date for the Rifftrax version of...(dun, dun, duuuun!) the 'Star Wars Holiday Special!'
[15:18] Owl Sweetwater: rowan thank you for inviting me along..:)
[15:18] Jedburgh30 Dagger: ((NO WAY!))
[15:18] Jasper Kiergarten: yay rifftrax
[15:18] Bookworm Hienrichs: ((Yes, way! I've never seen that before, so I'm really looking forward to it!))
[15:19] Rowan Derryth: My pleasure Owl!
[15:19] Jedburgh30 Dagger: ((the film is bad enough as-is))
[15:19] Bookworm Hienrichs: Good afternoon, everyone!
[15:19] Bookworm Hienrichs smiles and waves.
[15:19] Owl Sweetwater: waves!
[15:19] KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Gute Nacht.
[15:19] Serafina Puchkina: Thank you for coming
[15:19] PJ Trenton: Good night Baron!
[15:19] Jasper Kiergarten: Thanks to everyone for the donations! Once again, all proceeds go to the speaker
[15:20] Jasper Kiergarten: and thanks for coming!
[15:20] Annechen Lowey: A very informative salon.
[15:20] Rowan Derryth: Serafina - I'm back now, so let me know when you all wanted to start plotting about the Fall.
[15:20] KlausWulfenbach Outlander: Excellent presentation.
[15:20] Annechen Lowey: Good afternoon, all.
[15:20] Tricia Aferdita: great presentation, PJ :) Thanks for sharing
[15:20] Bela Lubezki: thank you and good afternoon
[15:20] Serafina Puchkina: Okay, great, Rowan! Let me talk with Viv
[15:20] PJ Trenton: So glad you could make it T
[15:20] Jasper Kiergarten: good to see everyone
[15:20] Jasper Kiergarten: waves to Bela
[15:20] Tricia Aferdita: take care eeveryone
[15:20] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Seeya around Tricia!

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