Forks! Edited Transcript

Jedburgh30 Dagger: Hello everyone! Ladies and Gentlemen, Viv, Serafina, Jasper and I are pleased to welcome you to the August edition of the Aether Salon - Forks!. I would like to thank each and every one of you for joining us today.

As many of you know, the Aether Salon met to discuss steam and Victorian topics on the third Sunday of each month, in Palisades and Academy, New Babbage. This is the 28th and final salon under the direction of the founding staff. While I hope you are all excited to be here, I know that I stand before you with mixed emotions.

Just a few matters of housekeeping before we get started. If you are standing in the back, please move forward onto the maze so that you can be assured of hearing the speaker. Please hold your questions until the end, and as a courtesy to all, please turn off everything that feeds the lag: all HUDs, scripts, AOs and so on. Please no rags, bones, bottles, rhythm, music, or unauthorized versions of ‘Porgy and Bess’. Since this is my last introduction, I will take the time to say that this was my bit to make something close to a relevant wisecrack, typically taken from the week’s events in the Steamlands, or ‘real life’. Yes, I picked the non-Euclydian geometry and several of the other ‘things’ here…so…Your cooperation is appreciated.

Edited and unedited transcripts will be posted this week on aethersalon.blogspot.com so you can revisit today’s merriment, read transcripts of past salons, and for a laugh, peruse “overheard at the salon.” Please join the Aether Salon group and receive notifications of future salon events, click the lower right hand corner of the large brown sign by the entrance. We sincerely appreciate the support we receive from everyone in the community and we humbly thank you all.

The thank you section will be covered during my talk, so I will be skipping that bit for the moment. Yes, several of you will either be embarrassed or not speaking to me afterwards

Now I will turn the stage over to Miss Viv for my introduction. Since she said I couldn't do it myself, or risk sounding like Charlie Sheen... Viv?

Viv Trafalgar: Who doesn't love Charlie Sheen? Thank you all for coming today! Before I introduce our speaker, I want to thank everyone from the bottom of my heart. You've been an amazing part of Salon and we couldn't have done it without you, our witty audience, our fabulous fashionistas, our bright and shining speakers - all of you filled with so much wisdom and knowledge. You are brilliant, each and every one of you.

I especially want to thank Tenk and Shaunathan, for New Babbage - which is a very special place - and Canolli Capalini for being an incredibly special and generous sponsor of the Salon.

Thanks to Beq and Doc O for keeping us rolling. And to Bookworm and PJ for making sure we always look very pretty. Lastly, for Sera, Jed, Jasper, and our Salon Cat, Storm, you all are amazing people, and we've been a fantastic team. Congratulations on all the successes, and here's to more great things in the future. Love you guys.

Oh, and Wait until you see what Jasper's done for a craft. Now, To our Speaker:

Viv Trafalgar cracks her knuckles

It is my great pleasure to introduce the intrepid ironclad captain, as well as best friend a salonista could have, and generally the only person ever allowed to bear arms at Salon, Miss Jedburgh Dagger.

Many of you have served with her in various forms of NB's navy and militia. Others know her as a builder and developer. She's also a sworn enemy of the short-lived concept called the Salon Auction, and, most importantly someone who always has my back. Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome Miss Dagger.

Jedburgh30 Dagger: It is a far different thing to be back up here as a speaker. I know many of you who are our long time Salonistas are used to me being the stern sister or the smart aleck intro chick...

I would like to take you back to a time when all of this was just a dream (and no, not the time my sinus medicine kicked in...). During the 18th century, the place to discuss politics, or science, or art, was at the local coffee house. The coffee houses of London were full of humor and spirited discussion. For those of you into the Georgian era, get a copy of Boswell's London Diary.
Anyways, as time went by, artists and intellectuals would gather to discuss art and ideas... Thus was born the concept of the salon in the Victorian era. So...segway to a smoky digital city, in 2008

Someone had an idea, that Second Life could be about more than just poseballs and bling. That it could be possible to discuss real topics of import and historical things relevant to the steampunk era we found ourselves in. The story of the Aether Salon has been the idea of one, embraced by others and carried forward by the community. While Viv would be quick to point out that the crew she brought together carried the Salon to where it is now, it was her idea that made all of this happen.

So the first Salon was in October, and was topically about Curses in New Babbage... I was asked to speak, as I had been involved in a roleplay scenario that 'grew legs and ran', much as Mr Undertone's fish story did later. Sidebar-yes the wiggyfish all of you now know as a Babbage staple was just a one off idea that became much larger than anyone expected. Anyway, so we had out first Salon, I spoke a bit with Beq about our quest to recover the Necklace of Harmonia. It grew from there, and became a much larger and well thought out affair, with slide shows, and props...

Many of you learned about submarines, and underwear, and music, and science... I know many of the attendees have been speakers. What I hope is that all of you saw the seamless, informative, well presented things we hoped you would all see. We have a good time doing this. In spite of some of the things we've had happen. I want to thank our EMs. I do know we had restarts on the sim in this location before we started on some occasions, because of the "where did the Academy go" incident.
I think we came close to crashing the sim when we were just in Palisades

One thing I'd like to say is thank Sera for all the work she did in preparing the transcripts. She has to deal with all the AO chatter, and fruity comments, and god knows what all else. So staff-wise, Jasper and I were here all along, doing stuff behind the scenes...and I know that they have been a lot of fun to work with. Again, there are so many things we have to do to pull this off and make it look smooth and professional. I hope we succeeded, most of the time :) We have had a good time, even if it is a lot of stress and work on the hundreds of things that you folks never saw.

We have dealt with church musicals, stormy weather, vacation, wifi outages, last minute cancellations... and the occasional "I was doing what this time?" So as time went on, we got better at what we did, and developed the now-familiar format that you now "enjoy"

For those of you that didn't know, I rented the loft here... for a long time actually. One thing I had to do was pack up on Salon days, so we'd have prims for the snack trays and such. Sera would IM me and ask if I was picked up... there was the time I showed up for salon in the maid uniform... eventually Viv started talking to me again. Of course, we don't talk about the Humvee incident anymore... If you can't kill your besties in vehicles, what fun is there to be had? And yes, we had a salon chair dash, and yes it was hysterical to see.

Viv thanked the Mayors of New Babbage, and rightly so. I do know that Mr Tenk and the EMs did a lot for us, and I know we had to play with the avatar count in Palisades once

I want to thank Jasper, for his work on so many of the crafts you guys enjoyed over the last three years. While he wasn't the only one who did, I know he did a lot of work just because he's a swell guy and providing the solid manly anchor to our staff :P

So now that I have talked for my allotted time, does anyone have any questions?

Ceejay Writer: Can we all take souviner bricks from the building tonight?

Elilka Sieyes: How does one determine the gender of an anchor?

Blackberry Harvey: Two prongs or three

Rhianon Jameson: It involves submarines and undercrackers.

Viv Trafalgar: Well, usually, they're underwater, and attached to a boat, so...

Ceejay Writer: (If they drag the bottom, male. If they hold the ship safely, female)

Viv Trafalgar: We hope after the grilling/questioning, you'll stick around - we have a very special guest today. But first, I want to say thank you to the Baron, who has begun plans for keeping the idea of Salon alive. You'll be hearing more about that soon.

Now, we are going to break slightly from salon tradition and invite you all to dance us out - We've asked Victor to DJ a little

Jasper Kiergarten: the box on the stage contains the craft. It's free

Ceejay Writer: THANK YOU SALONISTAS BOTH STAFF AND AUDIENCE FOR MANY YEARS OF GOOD MEMORIES!

Forks! Unedited Transcript

[13:25] Viv Trafalgar: Apparently, Ordinal's posting something about Salon on her blog sooner or later
[13:26] Viv Trafalgar: though she regrets she can't be here.
[13:26] Bookworm Hienrichs: Pity.
[13:26] Viv Trafalgar: Yes. Personal obligation. Something about the bee gun falling into the wrong hands.
[13:26] Bookworm Hienrichs: Huh. Coulda sworn I got a Salon sash, but I can't find it in my inventory.
[13:26] Bookworm Hienrichs: Oh, dear--that's not good!
[13:26] Viv Trafalgar: She said she'd try to stop by once the complaints from the UN had ceased
[13:26] Jasper Kiergarten: for speaking, Book?
[13:27] Bookworm Hienrichs nods.
[13:28] Jasper Kiergarten: search for Sash (Female)
[13:28] Bookworm Hienrichs: I looked for Sash, but the only two showing up are in outfits.
[13:28] Jasper Kiergarten: hmm
[13:30] Jasper Kiergarten: did you speak in 09 ot 10, Book?
[13:30] Bookworm Hienrichs: 2010 and 2011, actually.
[13:30] Jasper Kiergarten: ah ok
[13:30] Viv Trafalgar: hmph
[13:30] Viv Trafalgar: you should have at least 1
[13:30] Bookworm Hienrichs: I know I *had* one. I did wear it once.
[13:31] Bookworm Hienrichs: Either I accidently deleted it, or SL did it for me.
[13:31] Bookworm Hienrichs smiles wryly.
[13:31] Viv Trafalgar: Hee. This is the first time I've ever been sitting on stage.
[13:32] Bookworm Hienrichs gets a picture of that for posterity.
[13:32] Viv Trafalgar: You're taking photos of my posterior?
[13:32] Vic Mornington: hmmmmm brb somethins up with the dang dance machine
[13:32] Bookworm Hienrichs laughs.
[13:33] Bookworm Hienrichs: And thank you, Mr. Kiergarten.
[13:33] Jedburgh30 Dagger: viv has got back
[13:33] Bookworm Hienrichs smiles.
[13:33] Sera: You want to sit up here, Viv? I can move
[13:34] Viv Trafalgar: nah. i'm good here
[13:34] Viv Trafalgar: you should sit here too
[13:34] Sera: k
[13:34] Viv Trafalgar: I'll tell you when you need to get up
[13:34] Bookworm Hienrichs thinks all 4 of you should sit there.
[13:34] Viv Trafalgar: I completely agree
[13:34] Sera: yep. Good idea
[13:34] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Peg!
[13:37] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Woot!
[13:37] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Young Blood!
[13:37] Jedburgh30 Dagger: sorry, I love this song
[13:37] Sera: I am so tempted to say something maudlin
[13:37] Sera: Maybe I should go for immature
[13:37] Jedburgh30 Dagger: I got ya covered
[13:38] Jedburgh30 Dagger: I'm maudlin for the lot of us
[13:38] Bookworm Hienrichs is giggling like mad at the Jimmy Stewart drunk scene in 'The Philadelphia Story.'
[13:38] Jedburgh30 Dagger: and not Bill Jasper
[13:39] Jedburgh30 Dagger: I lost count. Which number is this?
[13:40] Jedburgh30 Dagger: 26?
[13:40] Bookworm Hienrichs: Twenty...seven?
[13:40] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Merde.
[13:40] Jasper Kiergarten: 8
[13:40] Jedburgh30 Dagger: yay!
[13:40] Viv Trafalgar: 28
[13:40] Viv Trafalgar: wow
[13:40] Viv Trafalgar: that's a whole lot
[13:41] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Google translator can say shit
[13:41] Bookworm Hienrichs: That is a lot.
[13:42] Jedburgh30 Dagger: It's a lot lot
[13:42] Bookworm Hienrichs smiles.
[13:43] Jasper Kiergarten: what am I missing here?
[13:43] Jedburgh30 Dagger: no wonder I had so many word docs called Salon Intro
[13:43] Bookworm Hienrichs laughs.
[13:43] Viv Trafalgar: Hah
[13:43] Bookworm Hienrichs: Hello, Mr. Lacombe!
[13:43] Viv Trafalgar: Hello Linus!
[13:44] Vic Mornington: ok dance machine in each side, the couples pose balls wont cross the sim border....rofl
[13:44] Sera: Welcome Linus!
[13:44] Linus Lacombe: Good afternoon, everyone
[13:45] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Linus!
[13:45] Jedburgh30 Dagger: hey
[13:45] Linus Lacombe: Jed! How are you?
[13:45] Sera: Hello Ms Fairlady!
[13:45] Jasper Kiergarten: greetings
[13:45] Jedburgh30 Dagger: I just realized
[13:45] Bookworm Hienrichs waves to Ms. Fairlady.
[13:45] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Jasper spoke
[13:45] Jedburgh30 Dagger: I spoke
[13:45] Sera: *gasp*
[13:45] Viv Trafalgar: hmm?
[13:46] Jedburgh30 Dagger: and Sera didn't
[13:46] Solace Fairlady: hello Miss Puchkina, Miss hienrichs, m Mornington, M Kiergarten, Mis jed, mr Lius, Miss trafaklgar!
[13:46] Solace Fairlady: *Linus
[13:46] Viv Trafalgar: Hello Miss Fairlady
[13:46] Jasper Kiergarten: greetings
[13:46] Linus Lacombe: Hello Ms Solace
[13:46] Sera: ppppppppppppfffffffffffftttttt to Jed
[13:46] Bookworm Hienrichs: Good afternoon, Ms. Ember.
[13:46] Vic Mornington: rofl
[13:46] Darlingmonster Ember: hullo all
[13:46] Jedburgh30 Dagger: but she's done all of the transcripts
[13:46] Sera: Hello Miz Ember
[13:46] Viv Trafalgar: Hello Miss Ember
[13:46] Darlingmonster Ember: rez rez rez
[13:46] Darlingmonster Ember: rez rez rez
[13:46] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Heya Dimmie!
[13:47] Darlingmonster Ember: grins
[13:47] Darlingmonster Ember: waves to Miss Jed
[13:47] Linus Lacombe: Hello ms DME
[13:47] Darlingmonster Ember: greetings M Lacombe, nice to see you here
[13:47] Darlingmonster Ember: on this sad occasion
[13:48] Bookworm Hienrichs: Bittersweet, at least.
[13:48] Vic Mornington: brb im gonna get a cuppa and some cake....
[13:48] Darlingmonster Ember: I'm sitting up front where the urchins can hit me from behind with spitballs
[13:48] Sera: *chuckles*
[13:49] Jedburgh30 Dagger: hey wait, does that mean I can shoot back now?
[13:49] Viv Trafalgar: hah
[13:49] Viv Trafalgar: NO SHOOTING
[13:49] Sera: can someone post the slurl in steampunk chat?
[13:49] Viv Trafalgar: Unless it's warranted
[13:49] Linus Lacombe: I shall miss these great salons, and I am honored to have had the chance to present one.
[13:49] Sera: please?
[13:49] Jedburgh30 Dagger: heh
[13:49] Jimmy Branagh: Hoy all!
[13:49] Linus Lacombe: Hello Master Jimmy
[13:49] Bookworm Hienrichs moves out of the landing area.
[13:49] Viv Trafalgar: Hello Jimmy!
[13:49] Bookworm Hienrichs: Hoy, Jimmy.
[13:50] Solace Fairlady: Hello Master Jimmy, Dr Watson
[13:50] Jedburgh30 Dagger: JIMMEH!
[13:50] Viv Trafalgar: Did someone post it?
[13:50] Darlingmonster Ember: hullo M Branagh
[13:50] Bookworm Hienrichs: I did.
[13:50] Darlingmonster Ember: waves
[13:50] Viv Trafalgar: Hello Watson!
[13:50] Darlingmonster Ember: yes Book just posted
[13:50] Viv Trafalgar: Thanks Book
[13:50] Linus Lacombe: Hello Mr Holmes, Mr Watson
[13:50] Jimmy Branagh: LL ate me Salon chair. Are there any spares aroun'?
[13:50] Viv Trafalgar: Hello Holmes
[13:50] Sera: Welcome Mr. Holmes and Mr. Watson. Hello Jimmy!
[13:50] Viv Trafalgar: oh sure. Hey Jasper, can you get Mr. Jimmy a chair?
[13:51] Elina Koskinen: Hello everyone.
[13:51] Bookworm Hienrichs waves to Dr. Watson and Mr. Holmes.
[13:51] Jasper Kiergarten: sure
[13:51] Jimmy Branagh waves to everyone coming in
[13:51] Solace Fairlady: hello M Holmes
[13:51] Elilka Sieyes: Good evening - I've missed far too many of these, I'm afraid.
[13:51] Elilka Sieyes nips to get a coffee
[13:51] Vic Mornington: COFFEEEEEEEEEEEE
[13:51] Jimmy Branagh: Thenks Mr. Jasper!
[13:51] Jedburgh30 Dagger: I'm hoping that this one ends up being worth the effort
[13:51] Darlingmonster Ember: waves to M Ying
[13:52] Bookworm Hienrichs: Hello, Ms. Ying!
[13:52] Jasper Kiergarten: you're welcome lad
[13:52] Kimika Ying: waves back, Hello!
[13:52] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Heya hon
[13:52] Dymphne Dinzel: Good day everyone
[13:52] Dymphne Dinzel smiles...
[13:52] Kimika Ying: hi dear :)
[13:52] Jimmy Branagh: Hallo Herr Baron!
[13:52] Viv Trafalgar: Hello Baron!
[13:52] Jimmy Branagh: G'dye Miss!
[13:52] Sera: Welcome Miz Kimika, Baron
[13:52] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach (klauswulfenbach.outlander): Guten Abend, everyone.
[13:53] Vic Mornington waves
[13:53] Solace Fairlady: hello Miss Dinzel, herr Baron
[13:53] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach: Fraulein Trafalgar, we need to talk about arrangements when convenient for you.
[13:53] Sera: Welcome Miz Dinzel
[13:53] Sera: I love Victor's tag
[13:53] Vic Mornington: ohhhhhhh your back Mr Holmes?
[13:53] Vic Mornington: XD
[13:53] Elina Koskinen: Yes, still here :D
[13:54] Dymphne Dinzel smiles...
[13:54] Dymphne Dinzel: Thank you!
[13:54] Elilka Sieyes: He is all in one piece, thanks to young Nat and Gadget.
[13:54] Vic Mornington: ahhhhhhhh :)
[13:54] Elina Koskinen: And Watson too
[13:54] Jasper Kiergarten: if anyone needs a chair, ping me
[13:54] Elilka Sieyes: My role was limited to holding a revolver.
[13:54] Sera: Hello Miz Jameson
[13:55] Rhianon Jameson: Hello, Salonistas.
[13:55] Vic Mornington chuckles
[13:55] Jimmy Branagh: Yay found me sash!
[13:55] Sera: Chairs are free and you wear them
[13:55] Vic Mornington: better you holding it than young nat, ive seen him with a firearm, its not a pretty sight
[13:55] Solace Fairlady: hello Miss jameson, Clockwinder
[13:55] Sera: Welcome Mr. Tenk
[13:55] Viv Trafalgar: Hello everyone!
[13:55] Viv Trafalgar: Welcome Clockwinder!
[13:56] Mosseveno Tenk waves
[13:56] Rhianon Jameson: Greetings, Miss Fairlady!
[13:56] Vic Mornington: ello Mr Tenk
[13:56] Jimmy Branagh: Hoy Miss Viv!
[13:56] Bookworm Hienrichs: Hello, Miss Jameson.
[13:56] Rhianon Jameson: Hello, Miss Hienrichs!
[13:56] Jimmy Branagh: Hoy Mr. Clockwinder
[13:57] Elilka Sieyes: Good evening Definitely Not Mister Tenk.
[13:57] Bookworm Hienrichs grins.
[13:57] Viv Trafalgar: Thanks so much for the notice Book
[13:58] Viv Trafalgar: Jed, Sera, y'all are crazy.
[13:58] Sera: Welcome everyone! I do not want to leave anyone unwelcomed, ungreeted. Unwashed? Humm have to think on that one
[13:58] Bookworm Hienrichs chuckles.
[13:58] Viv Trafalgar: Welcome Breezy!
[13:58] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach: Quite an entrance.
[13:58] Sera: Hello Breezy!
[13:58] Jimmy Branagh: Hoy ta anyone Oy missed too!
[13:58] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach smiles
[13:58] Bookworm Hienrichs waves to Breezy.
[13:58] Jimmy Branagh: Hoy Miss Breezy!
[13:59] Breezy Carver Fabre smiles hello .. wavess back :)
[13:59] Vic Mornington: ellooooo Breezy
[13:59] Solace Fairlady: hello Lady Breezy!
[13:59] Darlingmonster Ember: woot, waves to Miss Breezy
[14:00] Jimmy Branagh: brb
[14:00] Breezy Carver Fabre: grins waves to Victor sends carrots to thumper ah smiles and waves to the darlings heheheh whispers congrats On team Spirit !!!
[14:00] Bookworm Hienrichs: Hello, Miss Gabi!
[14:00] Vic Mornington: elloooooo Gabrielle
[14:00] Solace Fairlady: Hooo Miz Gabi!
[14:00] Vic Mornington: XD
[14:00] Sera: Hello Miz Gabi!
[14:00] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach: Miz Gabi, how goes the flash flood?
[14:00] Elilka Sieyes: Flash flood?!
[14:01] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Hurricane season
[14:01] Gabrielle Riel is terrified to move
[14:01] Bookworm Hienrichs chuckles.
[14:01] Breezy Carver Fabre: sends ..dry waves to Miss Gabi .. with a brave smile :)
[14:01] Linus Lacombe: Ceejay! Hello
[14:01] Jimmy Branagh: Hoy Miss Ceejay!
[14:01] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach: It was up to my neck. I had to change before coming here.
[14:01] Bookworm Hienrichs waves to Ceejay.
[14:01] Charon Heliosense slips in the door, hearing people's chatter buzzing out into the street
[14:01] Bookworm Hienrichs: Goodness!
[14:01] Ceejay Writer: Hello Everyone!
[14:01] Jimmy Branagh: ((brb))
[14:01] Bookworm Hienrichs: Greetings, Mr. Beresford.
[14:02] Jedburgh30 Dagger: My marines had a time of it
[14:02] Breezy Carver Fabre: waves to Ceejay .. Looks franticly for sash .
[14:02] Solace Fairlady: Hello Miss Ceejay!
[14:02] Sera: Howdy Miss Ceejay
[14:02] Ceejay Writer: Sash! *gives Breezy big eyes*
[14:02] Sera: Howdy Mr. Beresford
[14:02] Linus Lacombe wonders what the sashes are for.
[14:02] Breezy Carver Fabre: in tiny not the size of a sim inventory smiles at Vic :)
[14:02] Simeon Beresford: Good evening Ladies, Gentlemen
[14:02] Bookworm Hienrichs: Welcome, M. Heliosense.
[14:02] Breezy Carver Fabre: grins at Ceejay :)
[14:02] Viv Trafalgar: Hello Simeon!
[14:02] Viv Trafalgar: Hi Ceejay!
[14:02] Gabrielle Riel apologizes if she is running anyone over or sitting on anyone
[14:02] Viv Trafalgar: Oh I love seeing everyone wearing sashes. Awesome
[14:02] Jasper Kiergarten: as usual, if anyone needs a chair, ping me
[14:02] Simeon Beresford: Hello Viv
[14:02] Vic Mornington: ceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeejay :)
[14:02] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach: Ah, sashes? Good idea.
[14:02] Charon Heliosense bows to his greeter "Hello ! I hope I do not intrude"
[14:03] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach: Fraulein Sinclair.
[14:03] Viv Trafalgar: We're about to begin, if you can take your seats
[14:03] Ceejay Writer: Gabi, me too. The grey is slowly becoming salon folk.
[14:03] Bookworm Hienrichs: Not at all, Mr. Heliosense. This is a public event, and all are welcome.
[14:03] Bookworm Hienrichs smiles.
[14:03] Blackberry Harvey: Hello Miss Ceejay
[14:03] Charon Heliosense smiles back and bows once more in thanks.
[14:03] Aisling Sinclair smiles... hello, everyone
[14:03] Ceejay Writer: Hi Blackberry!
[14:03] Simeon Beresford: half my world seems to have disapeared
[14:04] Bookworm Hienrichs: Do move forward a little, Mr. Heliosense, onto the pattern, to be sure you hear everything.
[14:04] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Can everyone hear me?
[14:04] Bookworm Hienrichs smiles.
[14:04] Elilka Sieyes nods to Miss Jed
[14:04] Darlingmonster Ember: nods
[14:04] Ceejay Writer tugs at sash, grumbling that it has 'shrunk' in two years.
[14:04] Charon Heliosense does as bid and moves closer to the kind lady in his favorite color.
[14:04] Jedburgh30 Dagger shouts: Step onto the maze to ensure hearing the speaker
[14:04] Rhianon Jameson: They tend to do that, I'm told, Miss Ceejay.
[14:05] Jedburgh30 Dagger: *clears throat*
[14:05] Ceejay Writer smies at Miss Jameson and nods.
[14:05] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Hello everyone! Ladies and Gentlemen, Viv, Serafina, Jasper and I are pleased to welcome you to the August edition of the Aether Salon - Forks!. I would like to thank each and every one of you for joining us today.
[14:05] Linus Lacombe: `*.¸.*´ APPLAUSE `*.¸.*´APPLAUSE `*.¸.*´
[14:05] Vic Mornington cheers
[14:05] Blackberry Harvey applauds
[14:05] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach applauds
[14:05] Ceejay Writer claps heartily.
[14:05] Darlingmonster Ember applauds
[14:05] Sera applauds
[14:05] Jedburgh30 Dagger: As many of you know, the Aether Salon met to discuss steam and Victorian topics on the third Sunday of each month, in Palisades and Academy, New Babbage. This is the 28th and final salon under the direction of the founding staff. While I hope you are all excited to be here, I know that I stand before you with mixed emotions.
[14:05] Solace Fairlady cheers
[14:05] Elilka Sieyes claps.
[14:05] Breezy Carver Fabre: ✰·.·´` Claps Very Loudly!! ´`·.·✰
[14:05] Charon Heliosense looks on with interest
[14:05] Aisling Sinclair: ~~~ * APPLAUSE!! * ~~~
[14:06] Gabrielle Riel smiles
[14:06] Breezy Carver Fabre: whew i found it just in time .. beams quietly :)
[14:06] Bookworm Hienrichs sniffs and applauds.
[14:06] Darlingmonster Ember applauds
[14:06] Ceejay Writer grins at Breezy.
[14:06] Breezy Carver Fabre (breezy.carver) big smile
[14:06] Viv Trafalgar grins and nods approvingly
[14:06] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Just a few matters of housekeeping before we get started. If you are standing in the back, please move forward onto the maze so that you can be assured of hearing the speaker. Please hold your questions until the end, and as a courtesy to all, please turn off everything that feeds the lag: all HUDs, scripts, AOs and so on. Please no rags, bones, bottles, rhythm, music, or unauthorized versions of ‘Porgy and Bess’. Since this is my last introduction, I will take the time to say that this was my bit to make something close to a relevant wisecrack, typically taken from the week’s events in the Steamlands, or ‘real life’. Yes, I picked the non-Euclydian geometry and several of the other ‘things’ here…so…Your cooperation is appreciated.
[14:06] Breezy Carver Fabre stands straight
[14:07] Bookworm Hienrichs grins.
[14:07] Sera golf claps
[14:07] Darlingmonster Ember smiles
[14:07] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Edited and unedited transcripts will be posted this week on aethersalon.blogspot.com so you can revisit today’s merriment, read transcripts of past salons, and for a laugh, peruse “overheard at the salon.” Please join the Aether Salon group and receive notifications of future salon events, click the lower right hand corner of the large brown sign by the entrance. We sincerely appreciate the support we receive from everyone in the community and we humbly thank you all.
[14:07] Ceejay Writer: Always loved the warnings.
[14:07] Jimmy Branagh: ((kback))
[14:08] Jedburgh30 Dagger: The thank you section will be covered during my talk, so I will be skipping that bit for the moment.
[14:08] Rhianon Jameson whispers, "You missed all the good stuff, Jimmy."
[14:08] Viv Trafalgar: hee
[14:08] Jimmy Branagh: Awwww darn it ...
[14:08] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Yes, several of you will either be embarrassed or not speaking to me afterwards
[14:08] Vic Mornington:-o
[14:08] Bookworm Hienrichs laughs.
[14:08] Gabrielle Riel takes out her notepad
[14:08] Ceejay Writer: YAY!
[14:08] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach chuckles
[14:08] Viv Trafalgar raises eyebrows
[14:09] Sera eyerolls
[14:09] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Now I will turn the stage over to Miss Viv for my introduction. Since she said I couldn't do it myself, or risk sounding like Charlie Sheen...
[14:09] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Viv?
[14:09] Elilka Sieyes: Win ;)
[14:09] Vic Mornington bursts out laughing
[14:09] Bookworm Hienrichs coughs back a laugh.
[14:09] Viv Trafalgar: Who doesn't love Charlie Sheen?
[14:10] Viv Trafalgar: Thank you all for coming today!
[14:10] Ceejay Writer stifles.... such a look.
[14:10] Viv Trafalgar: Before I introduce our speaker, I want to thank everyone from the bottom of my heart.
[14:10] Viv Trafalgar: You've been an amazing part of Salon and we couldn't have done it without you,
[14:10] Viv Trafalgar: our witty audience
[14:10] Viv Trafalgar: our fabulous fashionistas
[14:10] Ceejay Writer smiles at Saffia.
[14:10] Breezy Carver Fabre: whispers hello Saffia
[14:10] Jimmy Branagh waves to Miss Saffia
[14:11] Viv Trafalgar: our bright and shining speakers - all of you filled with so much wisdom and knowledge
[14:11] Viv Trafalgar: You are brilliant, each and every one of you.
[14:11] Bookworm Hienrichs applauds the past speakers.
[14:11] Elilka Sieyes applauds the lot of 'em.
[14:11] Darlingmonster Ember applauds
[14:11] Vic Mornington cheers
[14:11] Saffia Widdershins applauds
[14:11] Sera applauds loudly
[14:11] Jimmy Branagh applauds
[14:11] Solace Fairlady: me Huzzahs!
[14:11] Ceejay Writer whistles
[14:11] Viv Trafalgar: I especially want to thank Tenk and Shaunathan, for New Babbage - which is a very special place;
[14:12] Magdalena Kamenev whistles inappropriately.
[14:12] Saffia Widdershins waves discreetly to people
[14:12] Viv Trafalgar: and Canolli Capalini for being an incredibly special and generous sponsor of the Salon.
[14:12] Darlingmonster Ember: nods
[14:12] Darlingmonster Ember applauds
[14:12] Linus Lacombe: `*.¸.*´ APPLAUSE `*.¸.*´APPLAUSE `*.¸.*´
[14:12] Solace Fairlady finger waggles at Miss Saffia
[14:12] Jimmy Branagh claps
[14:12] Viv Trafalgar: Thanks to Beq and Doc O for keeping us rolling.
[14:12] Bookworm Hienrichs applauds the absent Ms. Capalini.
[14:12] Viv Trafalgar: And to Bookworm and PJ for making sure we always look very pretty.
[14:12] Solace Fairlady cheers loudly
[14:12] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Woo!
[14:12] Ceejay Writer claps loudly for her absent friend.
[14:12] Elilka Sieyes applauds
[14:12] Charon Heliosense claps softly
[14:12] Rhianon Jameson smiles and applauds
[14:12] Viv Trafalgar: Lastly, for Sera, Jed, Jasper, and our Salon Cat, Storm,
[14:12] Kimika Ying: applauds
[14:13] Aisling Sinclair: ~~~ * APPLAUSE!! * ~~~
[14:13] Viv Trafalgar: you all are amazing people, and we've been a fantastic team.
[14:13] Sera applauds
[14:13] Bookworm Hienrichs: YAY!
[14:13] Darlingmonster Ember: yes indeed
[14:13] Ceejay Writer: YAY!
[14:13] Darlingmonster Ember applauds
[14:13] Viv Trafalgar: Congratulations on all the successes, and here's to more great things in the future.
[14:13] Solace Fairlady applauds vigorously
[14:13] Solace Fairlady: YAY!
[14:13] Saffia Widdershins applauds
[14:13] Viv Trafalgar: Love you guys.
[14:13] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach smiles
[14:13] Ceejay Writer: (okay I will turn off that lagmonster now)
[14:13] Linus Lacombe thinks the Steamlands without the Salon will be lik tea without crumpets. But thank you all for so many great memories!
[14:13] Viv Trafalgar: hahah.
[14:13] Viv Trafalgar: Oh, and Wait until you see what Jasper's done for a craft.
[14:13] Sera: It is impressive!
[14:13] Viv Trafalgar: Now, To our Speaker:
[14:13] Blackberry Harvey's ears perk as he hears someone think of crumpets
[14:14] Viv Trafalgar cracks her knuckles
[14:14] Jedburgh30 Dagger cringes
[14:14] Viv Trafalgar: It is my great pleasure to introduce the intrepid ironclad captain,
[14:14] Viv Trafalgar: as well as best friend a salonista could have,
[14:14] Viv Trafalgar: and generally the only person ever allowed to bear arms at Salon,
[14:14] Viv Trafalgar: Miss Jedburgh Dagger.
[14:14] Darlingmonster Ember: yay
[14:14] Kimika Ying: Hooray!
[14:14] Darlingmonster Ember applauds
[14:14] Viv Trafalgar: Many of you have served with her in various forms of NB's navy and militia.
[14:14] Ceejay Writer: Woo hoo!
[14:14] Rhianon Jameson claps
[14:14] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach applauds
[14:14] Jimmy Branagh applauds loudly
[14:14] Solace Fairlady: Hooo
[14:14] Viv Trafalgar: Others know her as a builder and developer.
[14:14] Bookworm Hienrichs applauds.
[14:14] Elilka Sieyes: Hurrah!
[14:14] Viv Trafalgar: She's also a sworn enemy of the short-lived concept called the Salon Auction,
[14:14] Jimmy Branagh: Yay Miss Jed!
[14:14] Aisling Sinclair claps and smiles
[14:14] Magdalena Kamenev claps!
[14:14] Viv Trafalgar: and, most importantly someone who always has my back.
[14:15] Bookworm Hienrichs chuckles.
[14:15] Viv Trafalgar: Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome Miss Dagger.
[14:15] Ceejay Writer chuckles and makes tsk tsk noises.
[14:15] Vic Mornington cheers
[14:15] Rhianon Jameson applauds
[14:15] Sera applauds wildly, almost falling off her perch
[14:15] Solace Fairlady cheers
[14:15] Kimika Ying: cheers and applauds
[14:15] Blackberry Harvey: Hurrah!
[14:15] Linus Lacombe: `*.¸.*´ APPLAUSE `*.¸.*´APPLAUSE `*.¸.*´
[14:15] Jimmy Branagh claps and roars
[14:15] Saffia Widdershins applauds
[14:15] Jedburgh30 Dagger: It is a far different thing to be back up here as a speaker
[14:16] Jedburgh30 Dagger: I know many of you who are our long time Salonistas are used to me being the stern sister or the smart aleck intro chick...
[14:16] Simeon Beresford: Courage!
[14:17] Jedburgh30 Dagger: I would like to take you back to a time when all of this was just a dream.
[14:17] Jedburgh30 Dagger: (and no, not the time my sinus medicine kicked in...)
[14:17] Ceejay Writer makes the wiggly fingered backflash signal.
[14:17] Viv Trafalgar makes the bill & ted noise
[14:18] Vic Mornington chuckles
[14:18] Viv Trafalgar: and the waynes' world noise too (which is what I meant to do)
[14:18] Rhianon Jameson giggles
[14:18] Darlingmonster Ember: grins
[14:18] Simeon Beresford: hmms doctor who theme
[14:18] Jedburgh30 Dagger: During the 18th century, the place to discuss politics, or science, or art, was at the local coffee house
[14:18] Vic Mornington: COFFEE!
[14:18] Ceejay Writer: COFFEE HOUSES WOOO!
[14:18] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach: Heh.
[14:18] Ceejay Writer: Oh, sorry.
[14:18] Sera: *chuckles*
[14:18] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Time lords don't exist Simeon
[14:19] Darlingmonster Ember: mmmmm caffe
[14:19] Vic Mornington chuckles
[14:19] Jedburgh30 Dagger: The coffee houses of London were full of humor and spirited discussion
[14:19] Jedburgh30 Dagger: For those of you into the Georgian era, get a copy of Boswell's London Diary.
[14:20] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Anyways, as time went by, artists and intellectuals would gather to discuss art and ideas...
[14:20] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Thus was born the concept of the salon in the Victorian era.
[14:21] Ceejay Writer nods, smiling a lot.
[14:21] Jedburgh30 Dagger: So...segway to a smoky digital city, in 2008
[14:21] Blackberry Harvey: Coffee truly is the source of everything.
[14:21] Gabrielle Riel: 2008....so long ago...
[14:21] Vic Mornington nods
[14:22] Elilka Sieyes: Time flies! 0.o
[14:22] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Someone had an idea, that Second Life could be about more than just poseballs and bling
[14:22] Ceejay Writer: Quite the shocking notion at the time.
[14:22] ::: ・Skye McLeod・::: (skye.fairywren): smiles
[14:22] Darlingmonster Ember: ideas will be the death of us
[14:22] Darlingmonster Ember nods sagely
[14:22] Magdalena Kamenev whispers, "We're doomed ... DOOMED!"
[14:23] Jedburgh30 Dagger: That it could be possible to discuss real topics of import and historical things relevant to the steampunk era we found ourselves in
[14:23] Jedburgh30 Dagger: The story of the Aether Salon has been the idea of one, embraced by others and carried forward by the community.
[14:24] Bookworm Hienrichs nods.
[14:24] Jedburgh30 Dagger: While Viv would be quick to point out that the crew she brought together carried the Salon to where it is now, it was her idea that made all of this happen.
[14:25] Viv Trafalgar points that out quickly, about the carrying
[14:25] Rhianon Jameson laughs
[14:25] Bookworm Hienrichs laughs.
[14:25] Vic Mornington chuckles
[14:25] Darlingmonster Ember smiles
[14:25] Jedburgh30 Dagger: So the first Salon was in October, and was topically about Curses in New Babbage...
[14:26] Vic Mornington:-o
[14:26] Ceejay Writer: I remember that one.
[14:26] Jedburgh30 Dagger: I was asked to speak, as I had been involved in a roleplay scenario that 'grew legs and ran', much as Mr Undertone's fish story did later.
[14:27] Bookworm Hienrichs chuckles.
[14:27] Ceejay Writer wonders when wiggyfish grew legs and ran.
[14:27] Vic Mornington would be worried if wiggyfish grew legs and ran...
[14:27] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Sidebar-yes the wiggyfish all of you now know as a Babbage staple was just a one off idea that became much larger than anyone expected.
[14:28] Ceejay Writer: the best ideas are of that sort of start.
[14:28] Ceejay Writer lowers gaze at Saffia and thinks of the Quest.
[14:28] Saffia Widdershins grins
[14:28] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Anyway, so we had out first Salon, I spoke a bit with Beq about our quest to recover the Necklace of Harmonia.
[14:30] Jedburgh30 Dagger: It grew from there, and became a much larger and well thought out affair, with slide shows, and props...
[14:30] Rhianon Jameson: Props. Indeed.
[14:30] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Many of you learned about submarines, and underwear, and music, and science...
[14:31] Ceejay Writer: undercrackers.
[14:31] Vic Mornington: O.O
[14:31] ::: ・Skye McLeod・::: : eeps
[14:31] Viv Trafalgar: (thinks Miss Jed just wanted to mention submersibles and undercrackers in the same sentence)
[14:31] Jedburgh30 Dagger: I know many of theattendees have been speakers
[14:31] Charon Heliosense murmurs "I must have issed the underwear salaon... maybe one of you could demonstrate later...."
[14:31] Jasper Kiergarten: (thinks Viv is right)
[14:32] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Great. Now I have submarines in underwear stuck in my head...
[14:32] Jedburgh30 Dagger: *coughs*
[14:32] Viv Trafalgar: (ooops)
[14:32] Vic Mornington: XD
[14:32] Bookworm Hienrichs laughs.
[14:32] Darlingmonster Ember: is better than the...nevermind
[14:32] Rhianon Jameson: Imagine the audience clothed, then. It might help.
[14:32] ::: ・Skye McLeod・::: : heh heh
[14:32] Ceejay Writer: Scandal.
[14:32] Kimika Ying whispers: *sings quietly to herself, "...these are a few of my favorite things.."
[14:32] Solace Fairlady: is that a submarine in your underwear....
[14:33] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Whay I hope is that all of you saw the seamless, informative, well presented things we hoped you would all see.
[14:33] Tubby looks around
[14:33] Tubby: ooh, no food...
[14:33] Tubby runs
[14:33] Bookworm Hienrichs nods.
[14:33] Jimmy Branagh wonders why anyone would put a submarine in their underwear.
[14:33] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Ironically, the bit you just heard is what normally goes on in the staff chat
[14:34] Viv Trafalgar: ::quietly nudges the salon back to focus on the speaker::
[14:34] Vic Mornington chuckles
[14:34] Viv Trafalgar: IT does NOT
[14:34] Viv Trafalgar: mcuh
[14:34] Viv Trafalgar: much
[14:34] Rhianon Jameson: The secret is out!
[14:34] Ceejay Writer blinks and gazes upon Jed.
[14:34] Bookworm Hienrichs snickers.
[14:34] Jedburgh30 Dagger: often
[14:34] Darlingmonster Ember: snerks
[14:34] Viv Trafalgar: ::quietly nudges the salon to focus on the far wall, away from the speaker::
[14:35] Jedburgh30 Dagger: We have a good time doing this. In spite of some of the things we've had happen
[14:35] Magdalena Kamenev: In spite?
[14:35] Jedburgh30 Dagger: I want to thank our EMs
[14:36] Jedburgh30 Dagger: I do know we had restarts on the sim in this location before we started on some occasions, because of the "where did the Academy go" incident
[14:36] Elilka Sieyes: :)
[14:36] Jedburgh30 Dagger: I think we came close to crashing the sim when we were just in Palisades
[14:36] Ceejay Writer thinks that was a bit fun.
[14:36] Vic Mornington: wasnt my fault!
[14:36] Simeon Beresford: looks innocent
[14:36] Jasper Kiergarten: some griefers too :/
[14:37] Rhianon Jameson fails to look innocent, even though she *is* innocent.
[14:37] Ceejay Writer: Two words. Bob and Bombs.
[14:37] Magdalena Kamenev: Bah! Target practice! Extemporaneous target practice.
[14:37] Viv Trafalgar laughs and laughs and cries and cries
[14:37] Jedburgh30 Dagger: One thing I'd like to say is thank Sera for all the work she did in preparing the transcripts
[14:37] Darlingmonster Ember: nods
[14:37] Ceejay Writer: *WILD APPLAUSE*
[14:37] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach applauds
[14:37] Vic Mornington cheers
[14:37] Jimmy Branagh applauds
[14:37] Sky Melnik nods and claps for Sera
[14:37] ::: ・Skye McLeod・::: BRAVO!!!!!!
[14:37] ::: ・Skye McLeod・::: ***** APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSEEEEEEE***********
[14:37] ::: ・Skye McLeod・::: .;:+*'`'* APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSEEEEEEE *'`'*+:;.
[14:37] ::: ・Skye McLeod・::: ♫~~♫~~APPLAUSE~~♫~~♫
[14:37] Ceejay Writer: It is REALLY hard work! Really!
[14:37] Darlingmonster Ember applauds
[14:37] Blackberry Harvey: Woo!
[14:37] Solace Fairlady huzzahs!
[14:37] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach: That is ponderous work.
[14:37] Aisling Sinclair: ~~~ * APPLAUSE!! * ~~~
[14:37] Bookworm Hienrichs applauds Sera enthusiastically.
[14:38] Violet MacMoragh cheers
[14:38] Magdalena Kamenev claps!
[14:38] Jedburgh30 Dagger: She has to deal with all the AO chatter, and fruity comments, and god knows what all else
[14:38] Saffia Widdershins applauds
[14:38] Kimika Ying: applause!
[14:38] Serra Anansi: Applause Applause!!!
[14:38] Blackberry Harvey: Fruity comments? I resemble that
[14:38] Rhianon Jameson: "Fruity comments"? Sounds like sour grapes.
[14:38] Ceejay Writer really likes peaches.
[14:38] Viv Trafalgar applauds Sera madly
[14:39] Simeon Beresford: so much work!
[14:39] Magdalena Kamenev looks for bad apples in the room.
[14:39] Sera: What? *looks up from her paper*
[14:39] Simeon Beresford: goes bananas
[14:39] Jedburgh30 Dagger: So staff-wise, Jasper and I were here all along, doing stuff behind the scenes...and I know that they have been a lot of fun to work with
[14:40] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Again, there are so many things we have to do to pull this off and make it look smooth and professional. I hope we succeeded, most of the time :)
[14:40] Sky Melnik grins
[14:40] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach applauds
[14:40] Darlingmonster Ember: oh yes
[14:40] Darlingmonster Ember: quite
[14:40] Darlingmonster Ember applauds
[14:41] ::: ・Skye McLeod・:::BRAVO!!!!!!
[14:41] ::: ・Skye McLeod・::: ***** APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSEEEEEEE***********
[14:41] ::: ・Skye McLeod・::: .;:+*'`'* APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSEEEEEEE *'`'*+:;.
[14:41] ::: ・Skye McLeod・::: ♫~~♫~~APPLAUSE~~♫~~♫
[14:41] Ceejay Writer: A success EVERY time, yes.
[14:41] Jedburgh30 Dagger: We have had a good time, even if it is a lot of stress and work on the hundreds of things that you folks never saw
[14:41] Linus Lacombe: `*.¸.*´ APPLAUSE `*.¸.*´APPLAUSE `*.¸.*´
[14:41] Jimmy Branagh applauds
[14:41] Aisling Sinclair: ~~~ * APPLAUSE!! * ~~~
[14:41] Solace Fairlady nods enthusiastically
[14:41] Solace Fairlady applauds
[14:41] Gabrielle Riel: The unsung heroic moments :-)
[14:41] Saffia Widdershins applauds
[14:41] Bookworm Hienrichs nods.
[14:41] Viv Trafalgar: Oh someone was usually singing in the background...
[14:41] Gabrielle Riel grins
[14:42] Jedburgh30 Dagger: We have dealt with church musicals, stormy weather, vacation, wifi outages, last minute cancellations...
[14:42] Jedburgh30 Dagger: and the occasional "I was doing what this time?"
[14:42] Viv Trafalgar: Giant Frogs!
[14:43] Ceejay Writer: And bob.
[14:43] Viv Trafalgar: And Bob
[14:43] Jimmy Branagh chuckles
[14:43] Jedburgh30 Dagger: ...and Bob
[14:43] Vic Mornington: bob *chuckles*
[14:43] Sera laughs
[14:43] Violet MacMoragh snickers
[14:43] Bookworm Hienrichs: One doesn't need to say more than his name, does one?
[14:43] Bookworm Hienrichs grins.
[14:43] Ceejay Writer: Nope!
[14:44] Viv Trafalgar hopes the Salon doesn't catch fire just because we've invoked him.
[14:44] Bookworm Hienrichs laughs.
[14:44] Jedburgh30 Dagger: I miss the little guy. For those of you who didn't know, he was a big supporter of salon back-channel, and was...Bob in character
[14:44] Viv Trafalgar: Agreed
[14:44] Ceejay Writer: *smiles and nods and quietly misses her stinky friend*
[14:44] Jedburgh30 Dagger: He is the reason there is a strict no weapon policy now.
[14:45] Bookworm Hienrichs chuckles.
[14:45] Sky Melnik looks down at her belt and tries to hide her decorative weaponry :-/
[14:45] Heim Ormenthal hides his swords by sitting on them
[14:45] Simeon Beresford: an acheivement to be proud of
[14:45] Solace Fairlady drapes her gown over her daggers
[14:45] Viv Trafalgar: Better than Falling on them Mr. Ormenthal
[14:45] Rhianon Jameson fails again to look innocent
[14:45] Jedburgh30 Dagger: So as time went on, we got better at what we did, and developed the now-familiar format that you now "enjoy"
[14:45] Jimmy Branagh watches his thumbs twiddle
[14:46] Simeon Beresford: Practice Rhianon m'dear
[14:46] Rhianon Jameson grins
[14:46] Blackberry Harvey "applauds"
[14:46] Vic Mornington cheers
[14:46] ::: ・Skye McLeod・::: BRAVO!!!!!!
[14:46] ::: ・Skye McLeod・::: ***** APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSEEEEEEE***********
[14:46] ::: ・Skye McLeod・::: .;:+*'`'* APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSEEEEEEE *'`'*+:;.
[14:46] ::: ・Skye McLeod・::: : ♫~~♫~~APPLAUSE~~♫~~♫
[14:46] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach applauds
[14:46] Linus Lacombe: `*.¸.*´ APPLAUSE `*.¸.*´APPLAUSE `*.¸.*´
[14:46] Solace Fairlady cheers loudly
[14:46] Saffia Widdershins applauds
[14:46] Jedburgh30 Dagger: For those of you that didn't know, I rented the loft here...
[14:46] Magdalena Kamenev whistles.
[14:46] Sky Melnik applauds
[14:46] Sky Melnik: And had an office!
[14:46] Jedburgh30 Dagger: for a long time actually
[14:46] Ceejay Writer: Ah, those simpler days.
[14:47] Vic Mornington nods
[14:47] ::: ・Skye McLeod・::: sighs
[14:47] Jedburgh30 Dagger: So one thing I had to do was pack up on Salon days, so we'd have prims for the snack trays and such
[14:47] Vic Mornington: always seen jed pop onto the radar when i was loafing around in the hotel up the road
[14:48] Ceejay Writer: She kept me company as I puttered in MY loft in Her Dark Materials.
[14:48] Heim Ormenthal aspires to lofts rather than lofty spires
[14:48] Jedburgh30 Dagger: So Sera would IM me and ask if I was picked up...
[14:48] Ceejay Writer: I didn't realize you had to pack up for Salon.
[14:48] Gabrielle Riel: Prims, prims, prims!
[14:48] Jedburgh30 Dagger: ...and there was the time I showed up for salon in the maid uniform...
[14:49] Heim Ormenthal applauds
[14:49] Jedburgh30 Dagger: eventually Viv started talking to me again.
[14:49] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach chuckles
[14:49] Bookworm Hienrichs laughs.
[14:49] Viv Trafalgar: hahaha
[14:49] Gabrielle Riel's eyes grow very round
[14:49] Rhianon Jameson laughs
[14:49] Sky Melnik laughs!
[14:49] Jimmy Branagh: Did anyone get pics?
[14:49] Vic Mornington: O.O
[14:49] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Of course, we don't talk about the Humvee incident anymore...
[14:49] Ceejay Writer clears throat.
[14:49] Simeon Beresford: dash it I missed that
[14:50] Jedburgh30 Dagger: or the airplane Writer.
[14:50] Jedburgh30 Dagger scowls
[14:50] Darlingmonster Ember: grins
[14:50] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach nods at the Sultana
[14:50] Magdalena Kamenev sighs and wonders if there's an Archive of such happenings.
[14:50] Bianca Namori: waves and plops to the floor.
[14:50] Jedburgh30 Dagger: If you can't kill your besties in vehicles, what fun is there to be had?
[14:50] Viv Trafalgar: hey!
[14:50] Bookworm Hienrichs laughs.
[14:50] Violet MacMoragh chuckles
[14:50] Ceejay Writer: So true Jed.
[14:51] Viv Trafalgar: (Thinks Jed is planning on writing a seekrit Tell-All about the salon)
[14:51] Vic Mornington chuckles
[14:51] Heim Ormenthal shifts uneasily in his chair; it might be the swords but he can't be sure.
[14:51] Darlingmonster Ember: ((think she just did))
[14:51] Rhianon Jameson places a pre-order
[14:51] Bianca Namori: ((agrees))
[14:51] Ceejay Writer: (thinks we need a Memory Page, all can submit memories to)
[14:51] Bianca Namori: ((agrees again))
[14:52] Viv Trafalgar: oh good idea Ceejay!
[14:52] Jedburgh30 Dagger: I want to toss a few more thank yous
[14:52] Viv Trafalgar: we can open up a page on the blog if you want
[14:52] Ceejay Writer: :)
[14:52] Ceejay Writer: Please do! I have a memory to share.
[14:52] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Cannolli, for one
[14:52] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach applauds
[14:53] Vic Mornington claps
[14:53] Ceejay Writer: CANOLLI! *applauds till her sash falls down one arm.
[14:53] Darlingmonster Ember applauds
[14:53] Jedburgh30 Dagger: She made those chairs all of you enjoy, so we could keep the prim count down and have a stylish place to sit
[14:53] Sky Melnik claps
[14:53] ::: ・Skye McLeod・::: BRAVO!!!!!!
[14:53] ::: ・Skye McLeod・:::: ***** APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSEEEEEEE***********
[14:53] ::: ・Skye McLeod・:::: .;:+*'`'* APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSEEEEEEE *'`'*+:;.
[14:53] ::: ・Skye McLeod・::: ♫~~♫~~APPLAUSE~~♫~~♫
[14:53] Linus Lacombe: `*.¸.*´ APPLAUSE `*.¸.*´APPLAUSE `*.¸.*´
[14:53] Magdalena Kamenev applauds!
[14:53] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach: Brilliant work.
[14:53] Solace Fairlady applauds and applauds
[14:53] Saffia Widdershins applauds
[14:53] Dymphne Dinzel applauds!
[14:53] Heim Ormenthal shouts "Bravo!"
[14:53] Blackberry Harvey: Hurrah for effective furniture!
[14:53] Jedburgh30 Dagger: and yes, we had a salon chair dash, and yes it was hysterical to see
[14:53] Bookworm Hienrichs grins.
[14:54] Elilka Sieyes: XD
[14:54] Aisling Sinclair: so sorry I missed that
[14:54] Jedburgh30 Dagger: Viv thanked the Mayors of New Babbage, and rightly so
[14:54] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach wonders how he missed that.
[14:54] Ceejay Writer: chairsa on bums are ALWAYS good for a grin.
[14:54] Bianca Namori: chuckles. and applauds.
[14:55] Jedburgh30 Dagger: I do know that Mr Tenk and the EMs did a lot for us, and I know we had to play with the avatar count in Palisades once
[14:55] Ceejay Writer: (I recall playing with that count and sweating bullets, thinking I would break all of SL)
[14:56] Viv Trafalgar: Yes, Ceejay was the EM for that one - awesome too
[14:56] Ceejay Writer shudders at the memory.
[14:57] Magdalena Kamenev: One day you will, Miss Ceejay. One day.
[14:57] Jedburgh30 Dagger: I want to thank Jasper, for his work on so many of the crafts you guys enjoyed over the last three years.
[14:57] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach applauds
[14:57] Sera applauds
[14:57] Vic Mornington claps
[14:57] Bookworm Hienrichs enthusiastically applauds Mr. Kiergarten.
[14:57] Jimmy Branagh applauds
[14:57] Sky Melnik applauds
[14:57] Viv Trafalgar: (one of which is on the stairs here)
[14:57] Solace Fairlady applauds
[14:57] Ceejay Writer: Jasper is the BEST! *claps*
[14:57] Darlingmonster Ember: yesss
[14:57] Darlingmonster Ember applauds
[14:57] Dymphne Dinzel applauds!
[14:58] Jimmy Branagh: It wos good stuff too!
[14:58] Sera: Jasper does brilliant work!
[14:58] Violet MacMoragh whistles
[14:58] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach: I have often wondered how he kept up.
[14:58] Kimika Ying: applauds!
[14:58] Aisling Sinclair: ~~~ * APPLAUSE!! * ~~~
[14:58] Jasper Kiergarten: bows
[14:58] Jedburgh30 Dagger: While he wasn't the only one who did, I know he did a lot of work just because he's a swell guy
[14:58] Linus Lacombe: The crafts are always nice
[14:58] Rhianon Jameson nods
[14:58] Viv Trafalgar: man, the build-your-own toolbelt
[14:58] Ceejay Writer: He's also a very talented builder.
[14:58] Viv Trafalgar: a lot of us had a part in that one -
[14:59] Ceejay Writer missed the toolbelt, alas!
[14:59] Jedburgh30 Dagger: ..and providing the solid manly anchor to our staff :P
[14:59] Bookworm Hienrichs chuckles.
[14:59] Sera cheers
[15:00] Jasper Kiergarten: :)
[15:00] Ceejay Writer: My boat needs an anchor........
[15:00] Jedburgh30 Dagger: So now that I have talked for my allotted time, does anyone have any questions?
[15:00] Ceejay Writer: Can we all take souviner bricks from the building tonight?
[15:00] Rhianon Jameson laughs
[15:00] Vic Mornington facepalms
[15:00] Bookworm Hienrichs chuckles.
[15:00] Elilka Sieyes: How does one determine the gender of an anchor?
[15:01] Dymphne Dinzel smiles
[15:01] Blackberry Harvey: Two prongs or three
[15:01] Rhianon Jameson: It involves submarines and undercrackers.
[15:01] Elilka Sieyes: Ahhh.
[15:01] Viv Trafalgar: Well, usually, they're underwater, and attached to a boat, so...
[15:01] Ceejay Writer: (If they drag the bottom, male. If they hold the ship safely, female)
[15:01] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach chuckles
[15:01] Viv Trafalgar: HAH
[15:01] Blackberry Harvey: Ouch!
[15:01] Viv Trafalgar: Ceejay ftw
[15:01] Jedburgh30 Dagger: You want me to say 'balls', right?
[15:01] Dymphne Dinzel laughs
[15:01] Ceejay Writer: *laughs*
[15:01] Vic Mornington chokes on his coffee and bursts out laughing
[15:01] Jedburgh30 Dagger: SCORE!
[15:02] Sky Melnik applauds to Jed, Sera, Viv, Jasper and all of the other Salon folks as she's pullsed away.
[15:02] Viv Trafalgar: We hope after the grilling/questioning, you'll stick around - we have a very special guest today
[15:02] Sky Melnik: *pulled
[15:02] Ceejay Writer waves to Sky!
[15:02] Sky Melnik waves to all and poofs
[15:02] Darlingmonster Ember: ?a guest?
[15:02] Viv Trafalgar: But first, I want to say thank you to the Baron, who has begun plans for keeping the idea of Salon alive.
[15:02] Viv Trafalgar: You'll be hearing more about that soon.
[15:02] Thermite Ultima blinked repeatedly at the amount of people in the establishment. "Goodness, what is going on here?"
[15:02] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach: My honour, Fraulein.
[15:02] Rhianon Jameson applauds the Baron
[15:02] Bookworm Hienrichs applauds the Baron.
[15:02] Darlingmonster Ember: ah, thank you Herr Baron
[15:03] Darlingmonster Ember applauds
[15:03] Blackberry Harvey: Welcome, Mr. Ultima
[15:03] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach bows from his chair
[15:03] Sera applauds
[15:03] Ceejay Writer whistles for the Baron!
[15:03] Solace Fairlady applauds slowly
[15:03] Riven Homewood: Applauds The Baron
[15:03] Vic Mornington cheers
[15:03] Jimmy Branagh applauds
[15:03] Aisling Sinclair: wonderful to hear!
[15:03] Saffia Widdershins applauds vigorously
[15:03] Viv Trafalgar: Now, we are going to break slightly from salon tradition
[15:03] Viv Trafalgar: and invite you all to dance us out - We've asked Victor to DJ a little
[15:04] Darlingmonster Ember notices the vibratory applauding is shifting the sim out of true
[15:04] Vic Mornington: XD
[15:04] Viv Trafalgar: maybe Bob will show up if there's dancing
[15:04] Ceejay Writer: I'd love a dance with Bob.
[15:04] Ceejay Writer: Just to watch his terror.
[15:04] Elilka Sieyes grins.
[15:04] Violet MacMoragh giggles
[15:04] Viv Trafalgar: Victor, the salon is yours, temporarily
[15:04] Vic Mornington: Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!! :D :p :D :p :D
[15:04] Darlingmonster Ember: thank you Miss Jed
[15:04] Darlingmonster Ember applauds
[15:04] Sera: Thank you Jed
[15:05] Solace Fairlady: Thank you indeed Miss jed!
[15:05] Rhianon Jameson: I have to leave, but I thank you all for the years of wonderful Salons
[15:05] Solace Fairlady Hooooooooos!!!
[15:05] Viv Trafalgar: Thank you so much Jed!
[15:05] Solace Fairlady Hooooooooos!!!
[15:05] Solace Fairlady Hooooooooos!!!
[15:05] Ceejay Writer: What fun! Dancing at salon! Hasn't happened since.... Burlesque!
[15:05] Rhianon Jameson applauds loudly
[15:05] Jimmy Branagh: V^^V HOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWLLLLLLLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ V^^V
[15:05] Magdalena Kamenev laughs.
[15:05] Breezy Carver Fabre claps
[15:05] Linus Lacombe: Aww, I'd love to stay and dance, but RL calls. Three cheers for the Salon staff! HUZZAH HUZZAH HUZZAH!!
[15:05] Bookworm Hienrichs: Thank you, thank you, thank you, Salonistas!
[15:05] Breezy Carver Fabre: ✰·.·´` Claps Very Loudly!! ´`·.·✰
[15:05] Baron Klaus Wulfenbach applauds
[15:05] Jimmy Branagh: Yay!
[15:05] Darlingmonster Ember: Huzzah!
[15:05] Gabrielle Riel smiles
[15:05] Riven Homewood: Huzzah!
[15:05] Viv Trafalgar: Please don't forget to pick up your craft!
[15:05] Jasper Kiergarten: did everyone get the craft?
[15:05] Aisling Sinclair: Bravi tutti!!
[15:05] Viv Trafalgar: It's a Salon Teapot
[15:05] Rhianon Jameson: Huzzah!
[15:05] Kghia Gherardi applauds the organizers, hosts and the guests who imparted such excellent ... information
[15:05] Elilka Sieyes applauds the whole salon team, and those brave souls taking over too.
[15:05] Solace Fairlady cheers and claps wiildly
[15:05] Thermite Ultima: I didn't get one.
[15:05] ::: ・Skye McLeod・:::: BRAVO!!!!!!
[15:05] ::: ・Skye McLeod・::: ***** APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSEEEEEEE***********
[15:05] ::: ・Skye McLeod・::: : .;:+*'`'* APPPPPPPLLLLAAAUUUSSSSEEEEEEE *'`'*+:;.
[15:05] ::: ・Skye McLeod・::: ♫~~♫~~APPLAUSE~~♫~~♫
[15:05] Gabrielle Riel: Hello Vic!
[15:05] ::: ・Skye McLeod・::: I did not either
[15:05] Jasper Kiergarten: the box on the stage contains the craft
[15:06] Jasper Kiergarten: its free
[15:06] ::: ・Skye McLeod・::: Lovely! Thank you!
[15:06] Bookworm Hienrichs starts the dancing, just because.
[15:06] Ceejay Writer: THANK YOU SALONISTAS BOTH STAFF AND AUDIENCE FOR MANY YEARS OF GOOD MEMORIES!
[15:06] Vic Mornington: dance ball thingys are at either side of the building folks! :) they double up as couples dance balls as well
[15:06] Magdalena Kamenev: Mambo No. ?
[15:06] Viv Trafalgar grins at Ceejay
[15:06] Darlingmonster Ember: my thanks to all
[15:06] Magdalena Kamenev: Oh, 8.
[15:06] Solace Fairlady: Thank you Mr jasper, your crafts are always so good and pertinent to the topic
[15:06] Vic Mornington: Mambo No.8
[15:06] Saffia Widdershins: Thank you so much for all you've done!!!!
[15:07] Linus Lacombe: Enjoy the dancing everyone
[15:07] Jimmy Branagh: Thenks all Salonists!

Submersibles! Aether Salon - Edited Transcript

Viv Trafalgar: Welcome to the Seventh Aether Salon! (SEVEN!)) We are so pleased to see so many friends here this weekend.
Miss Serafina and I are pleased to welcome you to the April Aether Salon - Submersibles! Before we descend into the topic with our two incomparable speakers, we have a few pro forma items. Thank you to ZATZAI everyone at Artificial Isle for the fantastic venue and for keeping the salon's carpets clean of diesel oil.

As many of you know, the Aether Salon meets to discuss steam and Victorian topics on the third Sunday of each month, in Palisades, New Babbage.

We sincerely appreciate the support we receive from everyone in the community, and we humbly thank you all. Many fine people have contributed to today’s salon; we are grateful to Miss Ceejay Writer, Miss Breezy Carver, Miss Redgrrl Llewellyn, Canolli Capalini of Capalini Fine Furnishings for the chairs, and Beq Janus, Dreddpirate Bob for their assistance with the craft (which I'll put out with an insurance disclaimer at the end of the Salon). Finally, I want to personally thank my most amazing and talented co-host, Serafina Puchkina - she is a true friend and ally and keeps me mostly sane, most of the time.

Please hold your questions until the end, and as a courtesy to all, please turn off everything that feeds the lag monster: all HUDs, scripts, AOs and so on. Please no weapons, bombs, or biting, without at least a modicum of wit accompanying.
Mark your calendars for upcoming salons: Engines! in May, Fey! in June. After a brief hiatus, we'll return in September with Airships!, and Haberdashery! in October.

We're keeping a log of things “overheard at the salon” on aethersalon.blogspot.com just in case you're looking for a good laugh. Please join the Aether Salon group (signs are behind you) and receive notifications of future salon events, click the lower right hand corner of the large brown sign by the entrance. As a reminder, all tip jar donations go directly to the speakers.

And now, hang on to your air supply as I welcome my co-host Miss Serafina Puchkina who will introduce the speakers

Serafina Puchkina: Today I am honored to introduce our two eminently qualified speakers.
Mr. Jasper Kiergarten is a world traveler, settling in New Babbage and Armada- Breakaway after living most recently in Japan. During his travels he acquired extensive knowledge of warfare and weaponry. As a builder, vehicle crafter and gunsmith, he owns Kiergarten Mfg & Textiles, Armory, and Cannonade. He has crafted, among many historical replicas, fine, high-detail firearms and (the subject of his talk today) a highly detailed replica of the CSS Hunley, the first successful, operational submarine . You can see pictures of his work at http://www.flickr.com/photos/28364869@N06/2723555355/in/photostream/ Mr. Kiergarten's firearms are prized among weapon enthusiasts for their ease of handling and historical accuracy.

In real life, Mr. Kiergarten has long been interested in naval history and in the 19th century. He is a talented professional musician, artist, and MST3K enthusiast, none of which pertains to today's topic, but illustrate his versatility and coolness.
Our second speaker is Commodore Hotspur O'Toole. Commodore O'Toole is a scion of an old Irish family that has seen much service on land and on sea. Initially, Hotspur followed in the family trade, taking service in India and later China, where he served as a very young subaltern. Of a restless nature, he wandered far and wide until his footsteps brought him to Caledon, where he served in various military organizations before starting the Caledon Middlesea Fleet which disbanded in 2008 after fighting many battles.

Currently O'Toole is head of a "stateless" 19th century themed and equipped RPG naval fleet called "The Fleet of Wrath Exiles" which is primarily based at Port Merrimac, Roatan and Port Harbor, Steelhead. The Wrath Fleet is primarily ironclad based, with a few submersibles and some steampunk style airships and aether flyers.
The Wrath Exiles fight regular Ironclad battles at the Port, Thursday nights, at 730 PM SLT: http://slurl.com/secondlife/Roatan/157/110/24

In real life, Hotspur is an avid amateur historian that hails from a multi-generational naval family in the United States. His particular interest is Ironclads, pre-dreadnoughts, and transitional 19th century naval technologies.

Websites: Hibernia on the Skids- http://hiberniaskids.blogspot.com
Wrath Fleet Aether HQ- http://sites.google.com/site/wrathexiles/
Home Scéal an ghamhna bhuí (storytelling) - http://talltalesofhibernia.blogspot.com/
If you are interested in 19th century naval activities in world, please contact hotspur otoole (without the apostrophe) in world.

Please join me in welcoming our two speakers

Jasper Kiergarten: I'm suffering a very ill-timed lag wave, so do bear with me. Glad to see you all, and I'm glad to see so many people coming out to support the salon. Its an honor to have been asked to speak this afternoon, and I do hope you will enjoy my small presentation. And, a big thank you to ZATZAi Asturias for allowing us to hold this month's salon here, in this perfect setting.

Today, I will be discussing the Civil War submarine, the CSS Hunley, and more specifically, the research and construction of my replicas. I have long found the Hunley a fascinating vessel (submarines in general being of keen interest to my typist), its history, its successes and its mysterious loss.




I thought it would be an excellent project to make in SL, and, as I was hoping to make a vehicle to use in ironclad battles, it seemed an even better project to take on.

This project also coincided with my introduction into making sculpties, so, as my experience with sculpties improved, so did the quality of both builds. As I started, research proved a bit of a challenge, as artist’s renderings, various diagrams all varied, in some cases, substantially.

I poured over pictures, sketches and plans trying to figure out exactly what it looked like. Between pictures of the wreck, the several replicas at various museums, technical sketches, and several modern artists' renderings and chose features which particularly appealed to me, while still being historically accurate, or at the least, reasonably historically plausible.
Initially, I had intended to make only the vehicle version. But, as the hull was completed, and fitting out with parts began, the more interesting the idea to make a cutaway version with complete interior became. And so, as the worked progressed, a more detailed version with a visible interior was developing in my mind.

I began by simply making the hull with standard prims. Really not much to it. With the help of several good websites and a number of books in my personal library, I got the overall dimensions approximated and went from there.
I will be delving into a good bit of technical info on my builds. I hope I don't put anyone to sleep :D Anyway, vehicles have a 32 prim limit. In other words, a standard LSL vehicle script will only work on a vehicle made up of no more than 32 prims. The pilot, the avatar controlling the vehicle, counts as a prim as well, so it’s really a 31 prim limit.
This poses a particular problem for me as I am very seriously focused on details, so whenever I build something, my desire is to make it as detailed and close to the real thing as possible. This is not an easy task when you are impaired by such a meager prim allotment as that which are imposed upon SL vehicles.

So, with this in mind, on a complicated build, my usual method is to build it the way it was envisioned, and then begin trimming off lesser or unnecessary details.

I prioritize the various components. The hull, control surfaces and propulsion components being priority #1. The things you have to have, if nothing else.

Then, other major features, in the case of the Hunley, the two dorsal copulas fore and aft on the boat, the main spar and torpedo, and perhaps the keel ballast on the belly of the hull (which, I might add, are currently not accurately rendered. I do plan to remedy that soon. With the new version of ICS out, this feature will be included in the next update).
After that, came the smaller details. Extra spar supports, the vanes a fore of the copulas, the spike on the end of the spar. Then, if I have any prims left, perhaps ropes and fittings. "Style points", as Miss Trafalgar likes to put it. For the ICS version, sculpties allowed me to make the screw (originally made by Greg Merryman), screw housing supports, the entire spar with supports, a detailed breather box, the dual breather tubes, the spool for the charge detonation chord, the dive planes and the vanes a fore of the dive planes, all out of single prims, turning 22-23 prims into 8!

This then opened up the prim headroom to allow for minor details such as the det chord, made of three sculpties, and the support line strung from the upper spar to the main spar, as well as the eye loops to run the chords through.
That got pretty much everything there was to get into a functional vehicle, bringing the total prim count to 31, with one prim to spare for the pilot.

Viv Trafalgar notes Mr. Kiergarten's glee over details

CeAire Decosta: the "details" make it real!!

Jasper Kiergarten: Using an early version of Greg Merryman's airship script, he and I made it work as a sub script, slowing it down and locking it no higher than sea level. Then came the appropriate ICS scripts and it was ready to go, and, it has been for sale in my armory, as well as Bela Lubezki's factory (and now also at Kiergarten Cannonade, at Armada Breakaway) for a while. With that model complete and up for sale, I set to work on the cutaway version, which you can see behind me and just above
This started with an unscripted version with which I could add the new details. It also required a reworked texture as an alpha with the hull cut away so the interior would be visible. Then I started to work fitting out the interior.

From here, I started with the simple stuff. The main components of the pilot's station, the bulkheads, the water within the ballast tanks, the crew bench and the wheels and belts which operated the screw shaft.

Then came the details, most of which were sculpted, both to save on prims, and also to render shapes which couldn't otherwise easily have been rendered. Included in this phase were full fore and aft ballast tank pumps, with full plumbing, fore and aft ballast tank flood valves, the hand crank and mounting brackets, and the air pump bellows.
Still to come are a few smaller details,to the structure, and personal details, like a candle, maps and such, to give it the lived in feel, but, as you can see, it is mostly complete.

It currently stands at 171 prims, though there are several parts which could still be made as sculpties, which are now made from standard prims, and that would knock that back down a fair amount. But, it will still be a prim heavy beast.

Wiggy Undertone: I love the accuracy of the model! Are the scale dimensions correct as well?

Jasper Kiergarten: pretty close, yes

Aquaria Semyorka: and how long did it take to construct this?

Jasper Kiergarten: I've been working on it for about a year, but most of the work took about a month, maybe two. Nearly all of the textures are original and were made in Photoshop. There are also a few library and freebie textures as well, for minor details.

JB Hancroft: This is an amazing model. I expect that some of the Maritime Museums would be interested in knowing that it exists, in VR

Jasper Kiergarten: I'm not certain what the final plan is for the display model. Perhaps I'll offer it for sale, though the high prim count makes it impractical for the average SL'er to display in their home or shop. Perhaps museums will be interested? We'll see. Anyway, that's about it. I hope you've all enjoyed my presentation, and that you've found it informative and interesting. Thank you.

Viv Trafalgar: Next up is Commodore O'Toole. Please give him your attention and both speakers will take questions at the end

Hotspur Otoole: Good evening ladies and gentlemen! Thank you for coming out tonight, and thank you to our hosts, and the Autocrat of this land, Mr. Asturias. Much like in real life, I'm a bit animated as a speaker, so if you will bear with me and shift your attention to the big slide show behind you, we're going to talk about the history of Submersibles up until the end of the war, as in the American Civil War, or "the Great Unpleasantness."

"Submersibles, or, as we call them in modern times, Submarines, are not a modern concept. Inventors and theorists through the ages have seen the value of a platform that could travel under the waves and return with crew intact. The history of submersibles is dramatic and contains few successes and many failures. We'll be talking about failure here tonight, ladies and gentlemen, LOTS and LOTS of failure. Failure was part of the process of making a viable submersible platform that could be used as a weapon in wartime or for salvage purposes in peacetime. All too often, failure equaled death for all concerned.
Many people in the audience probably grew up having heard of the almost suicidally brave crew of the CSS. Hunley, making a run on the USS Housatanic, dying in the attempt, and maybe you have been taught: "this was the first submersible!" by your school system, or something to that effect. It wasn't. It WAS the first CONFIRMED submersible attack on an enemy warship that met with ANY measure of success recorded in history, and that is no small achievement! SOME of you may also have heard about the brave little "Turtle" that sank a British man-o-war during the American Revolution. The Turtle was neither a true submersible, nor did it meet with any measure of success-- but we'll give it a nod in our timeline. The truth is, The Hunley's feat is a singular achievement, because so many factors were working against success. For that reason, I have tried to keep tonight's talk focused on the American civil war, which is a true milestone.

Here's the important thing to remember about Submersibles, or Submarines.. the threat they represented was far more important than anything they actually accomplished. At least, in this time period. :-D

Rich, powerful countries with large standing fleets didn't invest in submersible development until they absolutely had to to keep up with everyone else. In times of war, the side with an economic or fleet disadvantage usually is the first to attempt to use submersibles, and often for strategic, rather than tactical advantage. Submarines were deployed to break blockades and to attack merchant shipping of an enemy. Even as late as World War II, the number of incidents when surface warships were sunk by submersibles was relatively few when compared to sinking merchant shipping. However, the amount of money, time, effort, and naval resources spent in response to submarine warfare can be staggering-- I cite both World Wars as an example. So the effectiveness of the submersible on the enemy lies more in forcing an enemy response than in actually fighting with him. Submarines fighting with surface boats may be fun to simulate in Second Life, but historically this scenario is unlikely.
So, in the American Civil War, the Confederate side, facing a large blockading fleet, with less industrial capacity, was focused on weapons that could grant them a strategic advantage... ironclads, blockade runners, and very much, Submersibles. Some of the craft we'll be discussing are not submersibles in the true sense. A Submersible is a craft which can, under its own power, submerge under the water, and hopefully surface again with crew intact. Example: The CSS Hunley, right behind you.
A Semi-Submersible is a craft that maneuvers on the surface, with decks awash for a low profile and extra protection against small arms fire. Example: The CSS David, above you (creator, Mr. Huszar, in tonight's audience). Many of the craft we have assumed are "Submarines" are in fact, semi-submersibles, such as Bushnell's brave little Turtle.

A diving plane, also known as a hydroplane, is a control surface found on submarines which allow the vessel to pitch its bow and stern up or down to assist in the process of submerging or surfacing the boat, as well as controlling depth when submerged. Diving planes are usually fitted in pairs, the bow planes at the front (or sometimes on the fin) of the submarine and the stern planes at the rear... in a short sentence, the part that steers it up and down.

A ballast tank floods with water to equalize buoyancy and provide enough weight for a submarine to descend The was pumped out later to provide float and lift again, raising the sub to the surface. 19th century engineers (and earlier) understood the nature of buoyancy very well, and water ballast tanks were part of every design that was attempted. Ballast tanks, therefore, make the sub "sink".

For a sub to maneuver under water, it tries to achieve buoyancy... so that it can arrive at an operating depth, not crash to the bottom and maneuver to the objective. :-D

Propulsion systems were designed to turn propellors, which propelled the ship under water. In these early years of Submersibles, propulsion was almost exclusively human powered, usually by turning a hand crank that worked the propellor. This would also use up oxygen at a high rate of speed. I will note, that early submarines used OARS, rowing UNDER WATER.. which is an interesting visual.

Krystine Qinan wonders how they sealed the openings for the oars

Hotspur Otoole: lastly, a few challenges.. Oxygen.. or the lack thereof. Propulsion systems were designed to turn propellors, which propelled the ship under water. In these early years of Submersibles, propulsion was almost exclusively human powered, usually by turning a hand crank that worked the propellor. This would also use up oxygen at a high rate of speed. Hypercapnia, also known as hypercarbia, is a condition where there is too much carbon dioxide (CO2) in the blood. Carbon dioxide is a gaseous product of the body's metabolism and is normally expelled through the lungs. This condition is also known as carbon dioxide posioning. Hypercapnia was a very signficant to all early submarine development. Contrary to some popular perceptions, the designers of submersibles were very aware of the dangers of carbon dioxide buildup.

JB Hancroft: And did they have bilge pumps?

Hotspur Otoole: Considering the fate of the Hunley, likely not. Okay, with a few terms and challenges defined, let's proceed with a short (very short) discussion of events leading up to the American Civil War, since my slide show wishes to advance, mysteriously.

The March of Failurrrre!

In 1623, Dutchman CORNELIUS DREBBEL, hired in 1603 as "court inventor" for James I of England, built what seems to have been the first working submarine. According to accounts, some of which may have been written by people who actually saw the submarine, it was a decked-over rowboat, propelled by twelve oarsmen, which made a submerged journey down the Thames River at a depth of about fifteen feet. There are no credible illustrations of Drebbel's boat, and no credible explanations of how it worked. Best guess: the boat was designed to have almost-neutral buoyancy, floating just awash, with a downward-sloping foredeck to act as a sort of diving plane. The boat would be driven under the surface by forward momentum . . . just as are most modern submarines. When the rowers stopped rowing, the boat would slowly rise. Reports that Drebbel's patron, James I, witnessed a demonstration may be true. Reports that James I took an underwater ride are most unlikely. Documentation of these early works is sketchy at best... and much of this may be anecdotal.
In 1653 the 72-foot-long "Rotterdam Boat," designed by a Frenchman (named DE SON) was probably the first underwater vessel specifically built (by the Belgians) to attack an enemy (the English Navy). This almost submarine – really a semi-submersible ram – was supposed to sneak up unobserved and punch a hole in an enemy ship. The designer boasted that it could cross the English Channel and back in a day, and sink a hundred ships along the way.

Voila! The Rotterdam boat! There are some eyewitness accounts as to the success of this craft, so I think it probably did get built and wasn't some pipe dream, as many of these early craft seem to be.

Lurching forward into the 18th Century on our whirlwind tour. In 1773 wagon-maker J. DAY, another Englishman, built a small submarine with detachable ballast stones, hung around the outside with ring bolts, which could be released from inside. This worked quite well in shallow water. Encouraged by a professional gambler, he built a bigger boat: they would take bets on how long he could remain underwater, further out in the deep-water harbor. Surrounded by ships filled with bettors, they hung some stones; the boat wallowed awash, but would not go under. They hung some more stones. The boat sank – like a rock – and would have collapsed long before the ballast could be released. And of course... many of us who took US history recognize this craft here.

Ghilayne Andrew: Mr. Day perished, presumably?

Hotspur Otoole: The history books did not say.

Remington Pinion: just a paddle boat with a big corkscrew

Hotspur Otoole: This is Bushnell's Turtle, which has quite wrongly been called "the first submarine." I well recall a nun pointing this out to me in grade school. As I said in the introduction, this isn't a submersible. It can't go underwater, but it did achieve a level of buoyancy, and was semi-submersible for its attack.

In 1776 Yale graduate DAVID BUSHNELL (‘75) built the first submarine to actually make an attack on an enemy warship. Dubbed the "Turtle" because it resembled a sea-turtle floating vertically in the water, it was operated by Sergeant Ezra Lee. The scheme: be towed into the vicinity of the target; open a foot-operated valve to let in enough water to sink, close the valve; move in under the enemy by cranking the two propellers – one for forward and one for vertical movement – turned by foot treadle "like a spinning wheel;" drill into the hull to attach a 150-pound keg of gunpowder with a clockwork detonator; crank to get away; operate a foot-pump to get the water out of the hull and thus re-surface. In early-morning darkness on September 7, 1776, "Turtle" made an attack on a British ship in New York harbor, probably HMS Eagle. The drill may have hit an iron strap – it would not penetrate the hull. (Contrary to most reports, the Eagle of 1776 had not been fitted with a copper-sheathed bottom.) Lee

Even Google calls this a submarine, but that's my beef, and largely a technicality.
Now, leading up to the Civil war there were about a half dozen attempts here and there to create an effective submersible as a weapon of war. What do you think, successes or failures?

Pepys Ponnier: Fail! YAY!

Nabila Nadir: :-(

Petunia Schism: FAIL

Rhianon Jameson: Or as the Twitter folks would say, #fail

Tensai Hilra: Failboats:)

Ghilayne Andrew: Opportunities to learn from one's mistakes.

Nocti Heliosense: Opportunities in abundance.

Hotspur Otoole: WRONG!

Jedburgh30 Dagger: making room for promotion

Hotspur Otoole: in 1797, ROBERT FULTON, a marginal American artist but increasingly successful inventor living in Paris, offered to build a submarine to be used against France's British enemy: "a Mechanical Nautlius. A Machine which flatters me with much hope of being Able to Annihilate their Navy." He would build and operate the machine at his own expense, and would expect payment for each British ship destroyed. He predicted that, "Should some vessels of war be destroyed by means so novel, so hidden and so incalculable the confidence of the seamen will vanish and the fleet rendered useless from the moment of the first terror." In 1800, after protracted delays and several changes in government, Fulton was encouraged enough to build the submarine he called "Nautilus." He made a number of successful dives, to depths of 25 feet and for times as long as six hours (ventilation provided by a tube to the surface). "Nautilus" was essentially an elongated "Turtle" with a larger propellor and mast and sail for use on the surface.

"Nautilus" was essentially an elongated "Turtle" with a larger propellor and mast and sail for use on the surface. In trials, "Nautilus" achieved a maximum sustained underwater speed of four knots. Fulton (given the rank of rear admiral) made several attempts to attack English ships – which saw him coming and moved out of the way. Relationships with the French government deteriorated; a new Minister of Marine is reported to have said, "Go, sir. Your invention is fine for the Algerians or corsairs, but be advised that France has not yet abandoned the Ocean." Fulton broke up "Nautilus" and sold the metal for scrap. He proposed – but, most reports to the contrary, never built – an improved version. The name "Nautilus" was immortalized by Jules Verne in his 1870 novel, "20,000 Leagues under the Sea" and was given to several U. S. Navy boats – including the world's first nuclear-powered submarine, the 1954 USS Nautilus.

Voila! The first nautilus! And, get this: it worked! But really, it's another failure.. a failure of vision on the part of Governments to utilize a beautiful and elegant design. They dropped the sail vain to go into combat; as you can see in the cutaway, this was hand cranked on the attack. Fulton's ship was a big advance in many areas, particularly propulsion, steering and dive planes.
The next success on our tour is one Monsieur Villeroi. Brutus de Villeroi... Stern looking chap, for a Frenchman. De Villeroi is one of those great unsung geniuses of submarine design.

In the 1830s... DECADES before the civil war, Mr. de Villeroi created a true submersible that hits on every element of our definition— In 1833, Brutus de Villeroi completed a small submarine, possibly named "Nautilus" in reference to the 1800 submarine created by Robert Fulton. The submarine was 10' 6" long by 27" high by 25" wide and displaced about six tons when submerged. She was equipped with eight dead-lights on top to provide interior light, and a top hatch with a retractable conning tower for surface navigation. For propulsion, she had three sets of duck-foot paddles and a large rudder. She was also equipped with a hatches with leather seals in order to make some manipulations outside of hull, a small ballast system with a lever and piston, and a 50 lb anchor. The ship had a complement of three men. This submarine was demonstrated at Fromentine, Noirmoutier, near Nantes, France, in 1833, and later to representatives of the Kingdom of the Netherlands in 1837. De Villeroi tried several times to sell his submarine designs to the French Navy (1832, 1855 and 1863), but he was apparently turned down every time.

Personally, I like the duck foot propulsion. that must have been a sight to see. I tried to find a decent drawing of this craft, this is all I could find.

CeAire Decosta: /they would have to be small men. Packed like sardines!

Hotspur Otoole: They WERE small men back in the day, if surviving uniforms are any indication.

Ghilayne Andrew: Looking at it from the top down, it looks like a waterbug.

Pepys Ponnier: It looks like a flea.

Hotspur Otoole: It was called "waterbug" Miss Andrew! So, this brings us to what I hoped to be the focus of the lecture... :-D
I consider the Civil War to be the great milestone that changed the development of submersibles forever. MANY technologies were tried, including air purification systems, new improved torque propellors, much more advanced "torpedos"
We'll start with .. what else.. another failure! The MYSTERY SUBMERSIBLE of NEW ORLEANS!

Rhianon Jameson: Looks like a coffin.

Hotspur Otoole: The history of this machine (sometimes called the Bayou St. John Confederate Sub) seems is simply this, in the early part of Admiral Farragut’s operations here (New Orleans fell on May 1, 1862) the gunboat New London was a perfect terror to the Rebels in the lake (Lake Pontchartrain), so it occurred to them if they could get a machine that would move underwater they could succeed in securing a torpedo to the bottom of the ship, move off, touch the wires, and thus terminate their existence. They finally got the thing done, made a good job of it, got it overboard, and put two men in it; they were smothered to death.” The Louisiana State Museum submarine once was thought to have an identity. It was believed to be the Pioneer, a vessel built in New Orleans by a group led by Horace Hunley, a wealthy lawyer and customs agent. Recent findings in the National Archives, however, have proven otherwise.

Hotspur Otoole: (sorry, some of the above got jumbled. it was from a Union naval man's diary). In any event, nobody really knows for sure who built this, but recent studies indicate it might have been the crew of naval engineers that build the CSS Mannassas.

Ghilayne Andrew: Surprising they didn't scratch their names inside it somewhere, as soldiers often do leave their names on things.

Hotspur Otoole: yes, a recent ('06) paper I found indicates similarities between the ironwork on this thing and the Mannassas. We'll likely never know who built this, or how it would have fared against the Union Blockade. Another valiant failure in the history of submersibles!

Onward! To one of my naval engineering heroes, Horace Hunley. You all know of the history of the CSS Hunley from Mr. Kiergarten. But that was simply the last boat he made.

James R. McClintock, with Horace Lawson Hunley and Baxter Watson, built the submarine Pioneer at New Orleans in 1861 to defend the city against Federal forces. The three men later constructed two submarines at Mobile, Alabama, the second of which was named H.L. Hunley. the First of these was the Pioneer (pictures) The Pioneer, built in New Orleans in 1862, was a Confederate privateer submarine with a three man crew. It was built in 1861-62 by John K. Scott, Robert F. Barrow, Baxter Watson & James R. McClintock. It was commissioned by the Confederate government to cruise the high seas and rivers and destroy any vessels opposed to the Southern War for Independence. Its physical description is here quoted from its official Confederate Letter of Marque: "Said vessel was built in New Orleans in the year 1862; is a propeller; is 34 feet in length; is 4 feet breadth; is 4 feet deep. She measures about 4 tons; has round, conical ends and is painted black."

This is the CSS Pioneer. She was built to take on the Union fleet at New Orleans. Across the river at Leeds foundry, steam gauge manufacturers James McClintock and Baxter Watson constructed a submarine to use against Union gunboats patrolling Lake Pontchartrain. They would eventually partner with Horace L. Hunley, a wealthy lawyer and customs agent, to build a submarine with a menacing, streamlined appearance. After the war, McClintock described the vessel he and his partners christened the Pioneer. "She was made of iron 1 inch thick. The boat was of a cigar shape 30 feet long and 4 feet in diameter. This boat demonstrated to us that we could construct a boat that would move at will in any direction desired, and at any distance from the surface. As we were unable to see objects passing under the water, the boat was steered by compass."
(As we'll get into, Hunley wasn't around to write memoirs) I like this particular hull shape-- it's quite futuristic looking. Note the common sense rudder and dive planes.

Nocti Heliosense: More like a modern submarine.

Hotspur Otoole: At this stage, though, propellors were somewhat rudimentary, still rather flat. In March of 1862, the Pioneer's owners were granted a letter of marque by the Confederate government. A month later, New Orleans fell to the West Gulf Blockading Squadron commanded by David Glasgow Farragut. In the ensuing turmoil, the Pioneer was scuttled in the New Basin Canal.

Another valiant Failure!

I warned the audience up front, we're going to be talking about a lot of failure tonight. Now on to the main event. This is the CSS Hunley, named for the lead inventor. Okay, as you can see, the Hunley developed on the Pioneer's design. See the Dive planes on the side? The protected propellor and rudder? From above, she looks like a swimming penguin to me. :-D The Hunley's main weapon was the SPAR TORPEDO (really a tripwire mine).

Nabila Nadir: plant it then back away and yank the cord?

Hotspur Otoole: exactly, Nab.

CeAire Decosta: Just make sure the cord was long enough!

Hotspur Otoole: But did you know the original intention was to float the mine above the submersible like a fishing bob?

Pepys Ponnier: how did they stick it to the hull?

Wolf Copperfield: but how far away is far enough?

Hotspur Otoole: Well, the original intention didn't work so well, so they put it on a big stick, and rammed it into the hull.

Hawc Decosta: I think blast effects would have got them.

Hotspur Otoole: In fact, it did, Hawc

Aeolus Cleanslate: "stick" being a technical term

Nabila Nadir: barbed point on the torpedo?

Jasper Kiergarten: points to my model

Hotspur Otoole: exactly.

Wolf Copperfield: well, wouldn't have been to hard, with wooden hulls

Hotspur Otoole: Now, I'm going to publish some notes from this talk with some great Hunley sites that posit some theories about exactly WHAT happened that night. I'll keep it brief.. what is known... the Hunley chugged out to encounter the USS Housatanic and did, in fact, hit it with a spar torpedo. The Housatanic sank, going into history as the very first vessel to be sank by a submarine.

Did the Hunley go down with her? Possibly. But there are accounts of the ship having given its "Success" signal.. a blue flare. My theory is: the Hunley was certainly damaged in the attack, and gradually took on water, sinking the vessel. Cold water, and the rapid decrease in oxygen, probably did in the crew. We'll never know, sadly. Not for sure. But they were brave men to try it!

Nabila Nadir: I guess they found her a lot farther off-shore then they'd expected

CeAire Decosta wonders about the men who are willing to do such things - today's astronauts and test pilots.

Viv Trafalgar: and submariners as well

Hotspur Otoole: In a footnote, the Hunley was recovered, as well as the crew, who were recently given a burial with full honors. I was there when the Monitor's turret was brought back. I confess, I had tears in my eyes.

Hawc Decosta: Has any recent information come from the recovery of the wreckage that disproved old theories?

Wolf Copperfield: what i find interesting about the Hunley, is that they would have had to do this mission in almost pitch black... they couldn't have placed more than one candle in there to light the thing

Hotspur Otoole: Actually yes.. I have links to them I'll put up. Moving on... I just wanted to show a good drawing of the CSS DAVID, a semi-submersible... with another spar torpedo based on the Hunley design. There's a model above.
Now, I would hate not to strike a blow for the Union here tonight, so let me show you a couple of attempts by the other side.
CeAire Decosta: wonders if the "torpedo shape" was a result of the study of dolphins and whales, or that has been mentioned and she missed it.

Hotspur Otoole: the Union navy was also interested in Submersibles, but they didn't have the driving strategic problems the CSS did. nor a real sense of mission for what a submersible could possibly DO against the Confederates. Yonder is the "Intelligent Whale" another fine valiant failure, this time on the Union Side.

Intelligent Whale, an experimental iron-hulled submarine, was built at Newark, New Jersey, to the design of Scovel S. Merriam, who entered into an agreement on 2 November 1863 with Augustus Price and Cornelius S. Bushnell. In April 1864, the American Submarine Company was formed, taking over the interests of Bushnell and Price. Years of litigation, however, followed, while those who built the boat apparently encountered “great difficulty…in getting a crew to man her for her first test in Newark Bay.”

GREAT DIFFICULTY GETTING PEOPLE TO TEST IT??? Imagine that!!!

Intelligent Whale could be submerged by filling compartments with water, and then expelling the water by pumps and compressed air. It was estimated that the supply of compressed air inside could allow the boat to stay submerged for about 10 hours. Thirteen crewmen could be accommodated, but only six were needed to make her operational, motive power being furnished by a part of the crew cranking, attaining a speed of about four knots. Thirteen intrepid crewmen.

Jasper Kiergarten: what could go wrong?

Hotspur Otoole: William Sweeny, a colorful decorated veteran of the Mexican War and Civil War (and who would participate in the Fenian Invasion of Canada later in the year), and two other men, tested the boat in April 1866. They submerged her in 16 feet of water, and Sweeney, clad in a diver’s suit, emerged through a hole in the bottom, placed a charge under a scow, and reentered the submarine. When Intelligent Whale was a safe distance away, Sweeny exploded the charge by a lanyard and a friction primer, blowing the scow to pieces. Ultimately, at the end of the period of litigation, however, a sheriff’s sale disposed of the boat. With the establishment of the title in court, the boat ultimately belonging to an “Abe” Halstead, the submarine was sold on 29 October 1869 to the Navy Department, for the following terms: $12,500 to be paid upon making and signing the agreement, $12,500 upon completion of the successful experiment, and $25,000 for all "secrets and inventions" connected with the craft.

A trial of Intelligent Whale occurred at the New York Navy Yard, Brooklyn, N.Y., three years later. “After sinking the boat, it was found the opening on top was leaking through defective packing,” reported the Army and Navy Journal of 21 September 1872, “and after remaining under water a short time, the leak was so bad it was found expedient to raise her, but in doing so she caught under the derrick, and signals were sent to those on board [the derrick] to hoist the boat out, which they did. In the meantime, those on terra firma were excited by the fear that some serious mishap would occur to the persons in the torpedo-boat [one of whom was, apparently, Halstead himself], but after having been under the water sometime in the same spot, nor having traveled or accomplished anything, the boat was got out, and found nearly half full of water, her navigators unhurt, but we imagine, considerably frightened…”

I wanted to wrap up tonight's talk with what I consider the great WHAT IF of the Union Navy.... The USS ALLIGATOR. Remember Brutus De Villeroi?

The Civil War’s first submarine (and the first such vessel accepted into the U.S. Navy), was designed by an immigrant Frenchman eager to help his new country. Brutus de Villeroi had a history of submarine experiments dating back to 1832 in France , where he first demonstrated a functional boat designed for salvage work. While the main role envisioned for Union submarines would be to clear obstructions, the Navy contracted for de Villeroi’s boat for an entirely different reason. Rumors of a powerful Confederate ironclad building upon the remains of the burned out Merrimack had northern sailors rushing to find a means to meet this new threat. Three types of iron-plated vessels were rushed into production (Galena, New Ironsides, and Monitor); a squadron of civilian-owned transports was hired to ram the enemy ship; and, at the shipyard of Neafie & Levy in Philadelphia, constructors worked feverishly to complete the “submarine propeller” designed by de Villeroi.
One of the features that made this vessel so unique was the fact that it employed an air-scrubbing system to remove carbon dioxide from the interior environment of the boat. No other Civil War submarine had such a system. Unfortunately, the expense of the components of this system, the unfamiliarity of Navy officials with its workings, and, quite probably, the fact that neither the shipyard nor the Navy had ever dealt with a self-described “natural genius” before meant construction was delayed long after the threat of the CSS Virginia had been met. Completed in the spring of 1862, the Navy’s new submarine was sent up Hampton Roads in Virginia for its first combat mission: to destroy a railroad bridge over Appomattox Creek and thereby cut a major supply line to Richmond. How a submarine was supposed to destroy a bridge, they didn't say.
Now, the problem with the Alligator was that the Union WANTED a submersible.. but didn't know what to DO with it... so many hare brained schemes were developed...

Krystine Qinan: air scrubbing system?

Hotspur Otoole: Yes, indeed, Krys..

Hotspur Otoole: Berylyium absorbs Carbon Dioxide..

Nabila Nadir: scrubs the waste gasses.....exactly

Wolf Copperfield: interesting... we use those in modern day vessels, and they had the idea in the civil war?

Hotspur Otoole: Villeroi was planning on using a Berilyium "air scrubber" on the "Gator.

Pepys Ponnier: How did the scubber work?

Beq Janus: modern rebreather technology is not that far removed, chemistry doesn't change much I guess:-)

Hotspur Otoole: Let me point out these men knew about this stuff.. they knew that oxygen depleted in a closed space. Anyway, Sadly, the Gator sank while under tow to the Carolinas... Never to have seen action, never to have lived up to her promise. I'm sorry I've gone so long... it's a fun topic for me as well. :-D

Jedburgh30 Dagger: have they made any progress looking for her H?

Hotspur Otoole: Oddly enough, in the midst of the war, work was commencing on another submarine design, LE PLONGEUR in France, which would encompass many revolutionary technologies as well as incorporating lessons learned from those who have gone before-- compressed air propulsion powering a reciprocating engine, for one thing, an advanced propellor shape that provide efficient torque for speedy movement, and more modern dive planes. Our submarining forefathers had to be a little mad to do what they did, but each failure in this story contributing a little bit to the submarines we know today. And that concludes my discussions.

Huns Valen: this has been a fascinating and well thought out presentation

Ceejay Writer wonders if all our heads grew bigger to contain all this amazing new knowledge.

Ghilayne Andrew: It has been a delightful discussion, sir. I was wondering if the Ictino might have had any influence?

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Jedburgh30 Dagger: Hey Hotspur, have they made any progress in searching for the Alligator?

Hotspur Otoole: Yes, in fact, I will post a link to the MYSTERY OF THE ALLIGATOR website when I get my notes together.

Ghilayne Andrew nods at Viv. "Directed to the Commodore... did the Ictino have any influence on development, or was it too obscure being Spaniard?"

Beq Janus: it solved the oxygen problem Ghilayne

Beq Janus: the first anaerobic engine

Ghilayne Andrew nods to Beq. "And double-hulled. But was there much communication between designers, I suppose is my question."

Hotspur Otoole: Second, the ICTINO, sorry for my American bias on this, but most of my books where geared towards the American Civil War, so I don't have the answer to that.

Hotspur Otoole: many of the subjects we've been discussing tonight can be found here http://sites.google.com/site/thehotspurfiles/lecture-notes-submersibles

Serafina Puchkina: Miss Decosta had a question awhile back for Mr. Kiergarten: [14:34] CeAire Decosta: For scale purposes are there any plans to include a representation of a sailor at their work?

Jedburgh30 Dagger: Hey Jasper, are you going to build any other subs in the near future?

Jasper Kiergarten: I might, Jed. I am open to ideas, if you have any

Hotspur Otoole: I want to see Fulton's Nautilus get made in Second Life. :-F

Tensai Hilra: Hotspur, have you seen the recent articles on the semi-submersibles being used out of Columbia?

Hotspur Otoole: Do you mean the David or the Squib, tensai?

Tensai Hilra: actually quite a bit of modern stuff with drug runners using semi-subs to get stuff into the country

Hotspur Otoole: Oh, interesting! What is old is new again! Nope, I hadn't seen that...

Tensai Hilra: it's become quite a problem, and they are working out converting entire yahts into semi-subs

Jasper Kiergarten: H, didn't they find a strange hole in the Hunley?

Tensai Hilra: even exhaust cooling systems so it doesn’t come up on IR

CeAire Decosta: That's a waste of yachts!

Tensai Hilra: takes like 2 million to convert one, but the payoff is 20+ million in a haul

Jasper Kiergarten: all hijacked to begin with, I'm sure

CeAire Decosta: Who figured out what they needed to scrub the air and make it breathable again?

Nabila Nadir: oh, many yachts disappear every year in the Caribbean and environs

Hotspur Otoole: Yes, Hawc, I read about that on the U.S. Navy history site.. they aren't sure what could have made that.. not for certain.

Viv Trafalgar: that was a brilliant discovery

Hotspur Otoole: CeAire the chemical Beryilium absorbs CO2.

CeAire Decosta: Right - but who figured that out?!!

Hotspur Otoole: De Villeroi came up with a primitive "Air Scrubber" design based on this.

CeAire Decosta: It didn't leap up and say "i can do it!!"

Hotspur Otoole: Hard to say, really.

Tensai Hilra: I know your probably buried in IM's hotspur, but I sent you some links to the submersibles reports

Hotspur Otoole: I mean, what intrepid explorer looked at a toad and said.. "Wow, I bet I could get really high if I licked that" Got 'em Tensai, thanks. I would love to put it together in a more coherent less rushed fashion, perhaps all on one website. :-D

Hawc Decosta: Here a submersible being developed in Florida now! http://www.lakecityreporter.com/articles/2008/02/26/news/doc47c39aec4fcd8822827644.txt

Hotspur Otoole: Sorry bout that... :-D I like to quote from sources.. :-D

Ceejay Writer: Hotspur, having this all preserved for reference will be VERY good.

Serafina Puchkina is busy working on the transcript as you all talk. I am on my 3rd crayon

Dreddpiratebob Streeter: Ya have to make the Hunley so you can have multiple folk cranking the thing, Jasper

Jasper Kiergarten: I have thought to add AOs for each position so that folks could jump in and take up the crew positions. That sort of relates to the question that was posed to me earlier about having a crewmember inside

Ghilayne Andrew: That would make it a true museum piece, Jasper.

ZATZAi Asturias: If you go out to the dock, there is a sub hanging from a crane, sit in it and it will give you the free sub we use for racing

TotalLunar Eclipse: Thank you for the excellent presentation, fair winds folks.

Serafina Puchkina: Thank you for coming

Viv Trafalgar: don't forget your crafts folks and be CAREFUL

[16:04] Kat Montpark: What could possibly go wrong?!